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Thread: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    No. Marginalizing and trying to "starve out" addicts just creates more crime and poverty. Half the problem is that we have so few resources for addicts as it is, and the drug war culture makes people afraid to admit they have a problem, on top of the difficulty of dealing with it.

    As offensive as it is to the mentality of people who would rather punish people for the audacity to be human, the exact opposite works much better: harm reduction programs. It increases the rates at which addicts go to rehab, and lowers crime.

    I am not concerned with whether it serves some people's desire for vengeance. I'm only concerned with what works best.

    In addition, a casual pot smoker is not any more an addict or inhibited from functioning than a casual drinker. There is absolutely no reason to discriminate against this sort of drug use (which is already perfectly acceptable in society as long as the drug has some totally arbitrary stamp of government approval). Marijuana lingers in your urine for up to a month, sometimes even longer if you're overweight. It lingers in hair for much longer, unless you shave it. Should someone who smoked a joint last month at their birthday party be thrown off benefit? Seriously?
    Well, then.

    The solution is that since the Constitution does not allow the Congress to subsidize poverty, the Congress should stop taking money from people who earned it to buy votes from people who haven't earned the money in any other way.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Well, then.

    The solution is that since the Constitution does not allow the Congress to subsidize poverty, the Congress should stop taking money from people who earned it to buy votes from people who haven't earned the money in any other way.
    The free market tanks and you want to cut welfare. The usual, 'starve the poor' attitude.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The free market tanks and you want to cut welfare. The usual, 'starve the poor' attitude.
    Of course he does. Otherwise the government will no longer be able to subsidize the wealthy.
    “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” -Napoleon

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    My only issue here is that managing relationships with an addict are never cut and dry. Any action which promotes their access to their addiction enables them to continue, just like an action against the addiction is an easy excuse for them to continue using. Addicts are rarely successful in rehab programs they didn't enter voluntarily, and the relapse rate is quite high amongst the "successful". While disallowing them access to money to feed their addiction may lead to increased crime, the solution is not so easily identified.
    Depends on who the problem is identified. If you're considering the problem to be addiction, then the solution is problematical.

    If, as the Mayor sees it, the problem is not addiction. Hell, the Constitution makes no restrictions about what a person can put in his body. As far as the Mayor is concerned, anyone who wants to be addicted to heroin, crack, methampetamines, alcohol, and tobacco, all at the same time, has every freedom to indulge himself.

    The problem isn't in the addiction to chemical substances.

    The problem is the addiction almost all politicians have to the money someone else earns. That addiction is treated by not letting the politician waste the money.

    The intersection of this addiction with the chemical addictions is controlled by refusing to allow the politicians to award chemical addicts with OPM.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The free market tanks and you want to cut welfare. The usual, 'starve the poor' attitude.
    The government controlled markets under Obama are faltering, no big surprise, and the Mayor wants the limited funds available to go to people who deserve it.

    It's not surprising that you want to piss it away on trash.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The government controlled markets under Obama are faltering, no big surprise, and the Mayor wants the limited funds available to go to people who deserve it.

    It's not surprising that you want to piss it away on trash.

    I can't believe Im hearing this. You should get on the radio and win 2012 for obama.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I can't believe Im hearing this. You should get on the radio and win 2012 for obama.
    You're not hearing it.

    You're reading it.

    You're either arguing that drug addicts have a right to money earned by someone else, or you're not saying that.

    What are you saying?

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The free market tanks and you want to cut welfare. The usual, 'starve the poor' attitude.
    I hate to be dick but the free market doesn't crash because of bubbles. That is your kind of markets. How does the poor people like them?

    And I would love to hear how not supporting welfare starves people. Since you know, no one has ever been able to prove this drivel.
    Last edited by Henrin; 06-06-11 at 02:18 AM.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    No because drug tests can falsely show a positive.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    No because drug tests can falsely show a positive.
    Very, very rarely.
    Last edited by Gargantuan; 06-06-11 at 02:48 AM.

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