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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why do you say that? It was 1983 that there was no Corvette.
    Nevermind the HP stats in 73-74, they were 'played with' until 75 (when the impact on performance could no longer be so blatently denied and HP calculations went back to 72 standards), check the 0-60s. Catalytics hit in 73 (72 in CA vehicles). There was nothing decent until the 85 Mustang (4 barrel) and then 86 vette and camaro (injection).


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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nevermind the HP stats in 73-74, they were 'played with' until 75 (when the impact on performance could no longer be so blatently denied and HP calculations went back to 72 standards), check the 0-60s. Catalytics hit in 73 (72 in CA vehicles). There was nothing decent until the 85 Mustang (4 barrel) and then 86 vette and camaro (injection).


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    I totally agree.

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I totally agree.
    I try to stick with '59 to '69 anyways.

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Most of the mid to late 70's cars can be "retuned" if you know what you are doing. AND, the smog testers will never even know it.
    The cars will do better on gas and the emissions numbers will barely change.

    My 74 dart with 318 v8 and auto trans got 19mpg at best on the highway until I put on a 340 dual exhaust, recurved the distributor, advanced the timing til it just started to ping, then backed off a few degrees. Then it got 23mpg.

    Later Mopars with the computer controlled ignition timing (lean burn) could be rewired to take the prior years standard electronic ignition, distributor, and carb, and gain performance without affecting mileage in a bad way, tho not always improving it much.
    In AZ, you can change carbs, ignitions, etc. as long as you don't fail emissions. You pretty much have to as the lean burn computers are hard to find, and too expensive when you do find them, and old carbs can only be rebuilt so many times then you have to buy what you can...
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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    This works for me...

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If you have ever watched Top Gear they explained why the Mustang is no good around corners. The solid rear axle doesn't allow for grip in the corners. When you said around the track I assumed you meant one with corners.

    The Mustang pales in comparison with any of the European cars of the same class in handling.
    Yes I did mean one with corners

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If you have ever watched Top Gear they explained why the Mustang is no good around corners. The solid rear axle doesn't allow for grip in the corners. When you said around the track I assumed you meant one with corners.

    The Mustang pales in comparison with any of the European cars of the same class in handling.
    You know very little about the 2011 Mustang. It is a brand new beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    This works for me...

    We have very good taste. It works for me too...

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If you have ever watched Top Gear they explained why the Mustang is no good around corners. The solid rear axle doesn't allow for grip in the corners. When you said around the track I assumed you meant one with corners.

    The Mustang pales in comparison with any of the European cars of the same class in handling.
    The new mustang is indeed faster then the 370z around a track. Its pretty close to the M3 and if you get the laguna seca version then it is faster then the M3. Still I prefer the M3.

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    This works for me...

    Thankfully they have begun to breathe life back into the mustang product line, rescuing it from the 4 cylinder attrocity they made it into



    I owned a 66 Acapulco Blue Mustang as the first car I bought from a dealer (very used). Chromed it, traction kit, quad carbs (the 289 was the perfect sized engine for that vehicle) and 3 speed transmission. When I saw what they did to the line in the 70-s and 80's, I was hoping they would kill it and put it out of its mysery. Glad to see the new Mustangs reclaiming some of that muscle car heritage.
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