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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Let's just pretend that between the split-bumper camaro and the 85 stang... nothing happened. Right? Nobody saw anything.



    ps. I'm pretty sure we got trolled. A non-political troll. What kind of sick crap is that.
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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Although Dodge was exposed, I still love the Stealth.
    The Stealth was a Mitsubishi.

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    The Stealth was a Mitsubishi.
    I've heard that but I was hoping that there are some American designers involved.

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Omg what car is that? I want it.
    1965 Ford GT40 prototype. Kit replicas are available but at a fairly hefty price

    I prefer a bit of retro with the build quality of the modern. My daily driver
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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I will give you an example of what happened to cars entering the '70s

    We are all familiar with the Cadillac 500 CID engine.

    In 1970 it had 375 horsepower.

    By 1975 that had dropped to 190 while using the same amount or more gasoline to get the car moving.
    no quibble with you this far
    That is the government at work.
    here is where we part company
    after the yon kippur war of '73 opec imposed an oil embargo
    not only did the price of a barrel of oil increase four fold but the availability was spotty
    there was one week when 1/5 of all service stations had no gasoline
    nixon asked that gas not be sold on weekends ... and the gas lines were huge during the weekday (even numbered tags only on the even days of the calendar)
    meanwhile detroit executives kept insisting Americans would not buy a small car
    at the same time congress rationed the number of imports which could be sold by the japanese auto makers. hell, subaru put seats in the bed of its trucks so they would be eligible for entry as "cars" since truck imports were severely limited
    sales prices for the gas sipping japanese cars began at sticker, and the bidding went up from there
    this lasted until the early 80's (when the japanese began making cars in the USA - voila - no import restrictions)
    the point is, detroit ignored that there was a genuine domestic demand for small, efficient (and reliable) cars
    the government facilitated the American auto industry's slow conversion to efficient vehicles by pricing the desired foreign imports out of the reach of many ... forcing them to then buy shoddy, unreliable, poor handling - but comparably cheaper - USA makes
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    American cars that were not supposed to sip gas (corvettes and other high-end vehicles, for people with gas cash) - were crap. How does the gas problem explain that. Catalytic converters (needed as they were) demolished American sports-car engineering. This is obvious, as any make of sport vehicle pre and post-cata is staggeringly disappointing.


    Leave aside common vehicles for work, transportation and what not. We're talking about style.
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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    American cars that were not supposed to sip gas (corvettes and other high-end vehicles, for people with gas cash) - were crap.

    How does the gas problem explain that.

    Catalytic converters (needed as they were) demolished American engineering. This is obvious, as any make of sport vehicle pre and post-cata is staggeringly disappointing.
    you got me there
    smog regulations did a number on the performance cars
    the '75 vette had 10 more horsepower than the original '54 model (155 HP), and that crappy result was almost entirely due to the new smog abatement regs imposed by the government
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    We agreed there was no 75 vette. Never happened.

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no quibble with you this far

    here is where we part company
    after the yon kippur war of '73 opec imposed an oil embargo
    not only did the price of a barrel of oil increase four fold but the availability was spotty
    there was one week when 1/5 of all service stations had no gasoline
    nixon asked that gas not be sold on weekends ... and the gas lines were huge during the weekday (even numbered tags only on the even days of the calendar)
    meanwhile detroit executives kept insisting Americans would not buy a small car
    at the same time congress rationed the number of imports which could be sold by the japanese auto makers. hell, subaru put seats in the bed of its trucks so they would be eligible for entry as "cars" since truck imports were severely limited
    sales prices for the gas sipping japanese cars began at sticker, and the bidding went up from there
    this lasted until the early 80's (when the japanese began making cars in the USA - voila - no import restrictions)
    the point is, detroit ignored that there was a genuine domestic demand for small, efficient (and reliable) cars
    the government facilitated the American auto industry's slow conversion to efficient vehicles by pricing the desired foreign imports out of the reach of many ... forcing them to then buy shoddy, unreliable, poor handling - but comparably cheaper - USA makes
    Every year the car companies had new smog requirements to comply with. They did not know how to do that so they loaded the engine with every kind of pump and vaccum hose they thought would do the job. The culmination was in 1981 and every car that year was crap, I have 2 of them right now. After 1981 the car companies learned how to comply with the standars without robbing too much power from the engines. The "new" 1982 Camaros and Firebirds were proof of that. Mustang was still crap in 1982. It wasn't until 1983 that they crought out the 302 in the Mustang.

    That is why the horsepower went down, trying to comply with smog requirements. That had nothing to do with gasoline or gas prices, if it had Cadillac would have downsized their engines, like they did in 1977, instead of leaving them where they were and just lowering the horsepower.

    If you have ever driven a 1975 Cadillac DeVille or an Oldsmobile 98 or a Buick Electra 225 from the same year you will know that even with 455 engines they couldn't even burn the tires.

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    Re: Old vs new American car design

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We agreed there was no 75 vette. Never happened.
    Why do you say that? It was 1983 that there was no Corvette.

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