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You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

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Kali

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Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
 
Kali said:
Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
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You can use a computer at the library, but even if that weren't possible, I'd say no still.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
You can use a computer at the library, but even if that weren't possible, I'd say no still.
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Most libraries limit the time you can spend on their computers and most of these online application process take longer than 30 mins and sometimes can be up to an hour or more.

I feel all of these places should have a computer set up for you to fill out one on site. Some places do like Wal-Mart and K-Mart.
 
Kali said:
Most libraries limit the time you can spend on their computers and most of these online application process take longer than 30 mins and sometimes can be up to an hour or more.

I feel all of these places should have a computer set up for you to fill out one on site. Some places do like Wal-Mart and K-Mart.
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The world is moving forward technologically, time to get on or get left.
 
Kali said:
Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
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No, not unless you could somehow prove that the business only took online applications because they specifically wanted to discourage minorities and/or older people from applying. Traditionally, the courts have said that it's OK to discriminate if it's somehow related to the job itself (e.g. if you're casting Malcolm X in a movie, you don't have to give Asian females equal opportunity to get the role). I would think that the courts would view the application process in a similar way. If the business could show some sort of legitimate reason for only accepting online applications (e.g. it's more convenient), I don't think the civil rights claims would fly. And I think it would be pretty easy for them to demonstrate a legitimate reason.
 
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Kali said:
Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
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At first I was thinking no big deal but after going over it in my head I have to agree. If this is the ONLY way to apply and the job doesn't require you to have a computer to work form home yes this is not right or equal opportunity and could definitely be argued as such.
 
Kali said:
Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
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Anyone can go to the unemployment office to fill out an application for free. They will even help you. Not to mention library's and cyber cafés.

No this is not a violation of civil rights.
 
Centrist77 said:
At first I was thinking no big deal but after going over it in my head I have to agree. If this is the ONLY way to apply and the job doesn't require you to have a computer to work form home yes this is not right or equal opportunity and could definitely be argued as such.
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Anyone can go to the unemployment office to fill out an application for free. They will even help you. Not to mention library's and cyber cafés.

No this is not a violation of civil rights.
 
You can choose whether or not to have access to the internet.

You can't choose things like race, gender, and age.
 
TheGreatSandeno said:
You can choose whether or not to have access to the internet.

You can't choose things like race, gender, and age.
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That is not true for all people in all cases.
 
Do you feel it's discrimination that businesses expect you to show up for interviews dressed neatly and not smelling like a pig corpse? Not everyone can afford soap or a suit.
 
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That wouldn't be a problem in SK. Just type up PC rooms, PC bangs, or Korean cyber cafes and you'll know why.
Yet if it was some place other than SK or a place with limited internet access, then I'll say yes
 
spud_meister said:
Do you feel it's discrimination that businesses expect you to show up for interviews dressed neatly and not smelling like a pig corpse? Not everyone can afford soap or a suit.
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Thats quit a stretch IMO, my answer is No though but dress code and hygiene are called out im most employee handbooks so thats different, if having computer access isnt part of the job it shouldnt be needed to apply.

What if to apply for my job I want you to speak 3 languages, have a bank account of 25K + own a Porsche, and you must be wearing an Armani custom fitted suit to apply but the job I want you for is not related to any of that. I dont think that would be fair.

Now the burden would be proving the unfair practice of course so its all relative but I think a lawyer could easily do it.
 
Centrist77 said:
Thats quit a stretch IMO, my answer is No though but dress code and hygiene are called out im most employee handbooks so thats different, if having computer access isnt part of the job it shouldnt be needed to apply.

What if to apply for my job I want you to speak 3 languages, have a bank account of 25K + own a Porsche, and you must be wearing an Armani custom fitted suit to apply but the job I want you for is not related to any of that. I dont think that would be fair.

Now the burden would be proving the unfair practice of course so its all relative but I think a lawyer could easily do it.
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I don't think the relevant test is "Is this application process related to the job the applicant is applying for?" A better test would be "Is this application process related to the company's legitimate business interests?" If the company can show that only accepting online applications improves efficiency or reduces waste (which I don't think would be hard to do) then I don't think there would be a case.

Besides, there's the practical question. Who would have the legal standing to sue a company for discrimination for this? It would have to be someone who was discriminated against...and no matter where you live, it's far more difficult to see a lawsuit through to completion than it is to find a computer and an internet connection. So I don't think the courts would view this as discrimination.
 
Kandahar said:
I don't think the relevant test is "Is this application process related to the job the applicant is applying for?" A better test would be "Is this application process related to the company's legitimate business interests?" If the company can show that only accepting online applications improves efficiency or reduces waste (which I don't think would be hard to do) then I don't think there would be a case.

Besides, there's the practical question. Who would have the legal standing to sue a company for discrimination for this? It would have to be someone who was discriminated against...and no matter where you live, it's far more difficult to see a lawsuit through to completion than it is to find a computer and an internet connection. So I don't think the courts would view this as discrimination.
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It would be like someone suing a company because the place of business isn't convenient for them to get to.
 
Kandahar said:
I don't think the relevant test is "Is this application process related to the job the applicant is applying for?" A better test would be "Is this application process related to the company's legitimate business interests?" If the company can show that only accepting online applications improves efficiency or reduces waste (which I don't think would be hard to do) then I don't think there would be a case.

Besides, there's the practical question. Who would have the legal standing to sue a company for discrimination for this? It would have to be someone who was discriminated against...and no matter where you live, it's far more difficult to see a lawsuit through to completion than it is to find a computer and an internet connection. So I don't think the courts would view this as discrimination.
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Your last part I agree with 100% about seeing a lawsuit all the way through would be tough. Dont agree about that VS internet connection, I know people right now that dont have it or easy access to it. You can say EVENTUALLY they will find it but that isnt fair either if they are delayed in their ablity to have equal oppurtunity.

The first part I call total BS on and If i was on the jury Id never buy it.

Efficient and reducing waste is meaningless to me.
I only want to hire skinny white males then, I feel the are the most efficient, dont eat a lot like fat people so they will do more work and create less waste and Ill never have to worry about them taking maternal leave.

No of course my example is WAY over the top for humor purposes but the point is who gets to debate efficiency and waste? If its not a job requirement I dont buy it.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It would be like someone suing a company because the place of business isn't convenient for them to get to.
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Those arent the same at all.
Again to work there you HAVE to get there so thats moot.

You dont need internet access to work there so they are requiring you to have something you dont need for the job.
 
Centrist77 said:
Those arent the same at all.
Again to work there you HAVE to get there so thats moot.

You dont need internet access to work there so they are requiring you to have something you dont need for the job.
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Most businesses require online aps because the cost of paper aps is a cost of business that doesn't need to exist.

For the few that don't have a computer, there are libraries that they can use, as well as, Department of Labor computers.

It's a practical nonissue.
 
Centrist77 said:
Those arent the same at all.
Again to work there you HAVE to get there so thats moot.

You dont need internet access to work there so they are requiring you to have something you dont need for the job.
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What about companies that require applicants to submit resumes, even if the job for which they are applying has nothing to do with resumes? Would that be discriminating against people who don't have access to a computer to write one?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Most businesses require online aps because the cost of paper aps is a cost of business that doesn't need to exist.

For the few that don't have a computer, there are libraries that they can use, as well as, Department of Labor computers.

It's a practical nonissue.
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I keep hearing about all this access but again if a person has to go that far out of their way, is that close to the poverty line, a single parent, or maybe has a disability that doesnt able them to use a computer then it becomes an issue very quick.

Lets not forget this example involves a business giving you no other way to apply. Of course if they allow you to do it on site then fine, its a non-issue but if they dont its very relevant.

For example the company I work has a room with two computers in that people can go on line and fill out anything we may require. If a business cant provide such I think its their duty to accept paper apps.

Im just not ok with a business requiring something you dont need to do the job, something seems off about that.

and again I agree that it COULD be a non-issue IF they give of have access but if thats not the case then it is a very real issue.
 
Kandahar said:
What about companies that require applicants to submit resumes, even if the job for which they are applying has nothing to do with resumes? Would that be discriminating against people who don't have access to a computer to write one?
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Huh? are you even being serious?
did you just say "What about companies that require applicants to submit resumes, even if the job for which they are applying has nothing to do with resumes?"

You know that is NOTHING like we are discussing or I said right?

Not to mention a resume is a list of your qualification so that IS needed for a job and resumes can be written.
 
Nice talks peopls, unfortunately I have to go but to be continued :)
 
Kali said:
Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
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No. If anything it is a positive step to ensure people dont just hire friends and friends of friends. Many large businesses have moved to this practice to take local screening and hiring out of the loop. It makes for a more 'fair' (ugggh) process.
 
Kali said:
Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
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Kali...In todays day and age, how many people do you know of that would look for work dont have access to basic computing skills, public access computers at libraries and employment centers (or even on their cell phones) etc? People make the opportunities they want to have. Frankly...if someone doesnt know how to do basic computing skills anymore they are not viable candidates for a job. No business should be obligated to randomly pick any schmuck out of a hat and hire them regardless of their skills and abilities.
 
Centrist77 said:
I keep hearing about all this access but again if a person has to go that far out of their way, is that close to the poverty line, a single parent, or maybe has a disability that doesnt able them to use a computer then it becomes an issue very quick.

Lets not forget this example involves a business giving you no other way to apply. Of course if they allow you to do it on site then fine, its a non-issue but if they dont its very relevant.

For example the company I work has a room with two computers in that people can go on line and fill out anything we may require. If a business cant provide such I think its their duty to accept paper apps.

Im just not ok with a business requiring something you dont need to do the job, something seems off about that.

and again I agree that it COULD be a non-issue IF they give of have access but if thats not the case then it is a very real issue.
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That's really just a rare instance, not enough to require all businesses to have paper applications or some other nonsense.
 
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