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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Do you feel it's discrimination that businesses expect you to show up for interviews dressed neatly and not smelling like a pig corpse? Not everyone can afford soap or a suit.
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    That wouldn't be a problem in SK. Just type up PC rooms, PC bangs, or Korean cyber cafes and you'll know why.
    Yet if it was some place other than SK or a place with limited internet access, then I'll say yes
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Do you feel it's discrimination that businesses expect you to show up for interviews dressed neatly and not smelling like a pig corpse? Not everyone can afford soap or a suit.
    Thats quit a stretch IMO, my answer is No though but dress code and hygiene are called out im most employee handbooks so thats different, if having computer access isnt part of the job it shouldnt be needed to apply.

    What if to apply for my job I want you to speak 3 languages, have a bank account of 25K + own a Porsche, and you must be wearing an Armani custom fitted suit to apply but the job I want you for is not related to any of that. I dont think that would be fair.

    Now the burden would be proving the unfair practice of course so its all relative but I think a lawyer could easily do it.
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Thats quit a stretch IMO, my answer is No though but dress code and hygiene are called out im most employee handbooks so thats different, if having computer access isnt part of the job it shouldnt be needed to apply.

    What if to apply for my job I want you to speak 3 languages, have a bank account of 25K + own a Porsche, and you must be wearing an Armani custom fitted suit to apply but the job I want you for is not related to any of that. I dont think that would be fair.

    Now the burden would be proving the unfair practice of course so its all relative but I think a lawyer could easily do it.
    I don't think the relevant test is "Is this application process related to the job the applicant is applying for?" A better test would be "Is this application process related to the company's legitimate business interests?" If the company can show that only accepting online applications improves efficiency or reduces waste (which I don't think would be hard to do) then I don't think there would be a case.

    Besides, there's the practical question. Who would have the legal standing to sue a company for discrimination for this? It would have to be someone who was discriminated against...and no matter where you live, it's far more difficult to see a lawsuit through to completion than it is to find a computer and an internet connection. So I don't think the courts would view this as discrimination.
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't think the relevant test is "Is this application process related to the job the applicant is applying for?" A better test would be "Is this application process related to the company's legitimate business interests?" If the company can show that only accepting online applications improves efficiency or reduces waste (which I don't think would be hard to do) then I don't think there would be a case.

    Besides, there's the practical question. Who would have the legal standing to sue a company for discrimination for this? It would have to be someone who was discriminated against...and no matter where you live, it's far more difficult to see a lawsuit through to completion than it is to find a computer and an internet connection. So I don't think the courts would view this as discrimination.
    It would be like someone suing a company because the place of business isn't convenient for them to get to.
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't think the relevant test is "Is this application process related to the job the applicant is applying for?" A better test would be "Is this application process related to the company's legitimate business interests?" If the company can show that only accepting online applications improves efficiency or reduces waste (which I don't think would be hard to do) then I don't think there would be a case.

    Besides, there's the practical question. Who would have the legal standing to sue a company for discrimination for this? It would have to be someone who was discriminated against...and no matter where you live, it's far more difficult to see a lawsuit through to completion than it is to find a computer and an internet connection. So I don't think the courts would view this as discrimination.
    Your last part I agree with 100% about seeing a lawsuit all the way through would be tough. Dont agree about that VS internet connection, I know people right now that dont have it or easy access to it. You can say EVENTUALLY they will find it but that isnt fair either if they are delayed in their ablity to have equal oppurtunity.

    The first part I call total BS on and If i was on the jury Id never buy it.

    Efficient and reducing waste is meaningless to me.
    I only want to hire skinny white males then, I feel the are the most efficient, dont eat a lot like fat people so they will do more work and create less waste and Ill never have to worry about them taking maternal leave.

    No of course my example is WAY over the top for humor purposes but the point is who gets to debate efficiency and waste? If its not a job requirement I dont buy it.
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It would be like someone suing a company because the place of business isn't convenient for them to get to.
    Those arent the same at all.
    Again to work there you HAVE to get there so thats moot.

    You dont need internet access to work there so they are requiring you to have something you dont need for the job.
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Those arent the same at all.
    Again to work there you HAVE to get there so thats moot.

    You dont need internet access to work there so they are requiring you to have something you dont need for the job.
    Most businesses require online aps because the cost of paper aps is a cost of business that doesn't need to exist.

    For the few that don't have a computer, there are libraries that they can use, as well as, Department of Labor computers.

    It's a practical nonissue.
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Those arent the same at all.
    Again to work there you HAVE to get there so thats moot.

    You dont need internet access to work there so they are requiring you to have something you dont need for the job.
    What about companies that require applicants to submit resumes, even if the job for which they are applying has nothing to do with resumes? Would that be discriminating against people who don't have access to a computer to write one?
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    Re: You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Most businesses require online aps because the cost of paper aps is a cost of business that doesn't need to exist.

    For the few that don't have a computer, there are libraries that they can use, as well as, Department of Labor computers.

    It's a practical nonissue.
    I keep hearing about all this access but again if a person has to go that far out of their way, is that close to the poverty line, a single parent, or maybe has a disability that doesnt able them to use a computer then it becomes an issue very quick.

    Lets not forget this example involves a business giving you no other way to apply. Of course if they allow you to do it on site then fine, its a non-issue but if they dont its very relevant.

    For example the company I work has a room with two computers in that people can go on line and fill out anything we may require. If a business cant provide such I think its their duty to accept paper apps.

    Im just not ok with a business requiring something you dont need to do the job, something seems off about that.

    and again I agree that it COULD be a non-issue IF they give of have access but if thats not the case then it is a very real issue.
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