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    Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    That phrase of course being........."Provide for the General Welfare"......

    ……..or “Promote the General Welfare”

    "General Welfare".....the two words at the heart of the phrase and controversy, only appear twice in the Constitution, once in the Preamble and again in Article 1. Section 8. Two words, upon which the entire foundation and history of the Democrat Party and our liberal nanny statist government is built and expands upon. Two words, which allow the remaining 4,541 words to be ignored and disregarded in entirety, and the government the ability to do “whatever it wants.” in lieu of what “We The People want.” Two words, which have served as the permission slip for the unadulterated Democrat embarkment towards the complete control of every aspect of our society and economy…..Tyranny.


    Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?


    This poll and question is asked in the name and honor of Thomas Jefferson........

    “to lay taxes to provide for the general welfare of the U.S.” that is to say “to lay taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare.” for the laying of taxes is the power and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. they are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. in like manner they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. to consider the latter phrase, not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct & independent power to do any act they please, which might be for the good of the Union, would render all the preceding & subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. it would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the U.S. and as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they pleased.

    --Thomas Jefferson--Founder--Conservative--Hater of Liberals--Great American
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    "…..Would render all the preceding & subsequent enumerations of power completely useless"

    Clearly the Founders grow wiser the further left this country ventures. TJ was spot on, as today there are no more limits on government, every and any restraints have been severed by the single phrase, or are merely waiting to be subverted by the two words. The entire apparatus now operates with complete disregard of We The People, without fear of The People. Every and any nanny state whim can be passed and implemented in defiance of the Constitution and in the name of Promoting the General Welfare.

    For a government that controls your healthcare, your salary, what kind of light bulbs you can buy, your retirement, the water level in your toilet, your education, your exhalation, your birth your death your life and everything in between.........can be called many things........but clearly not a "Limited Government".....clearly not the defined and restrained government as intended by the Founders and our Forefathers.



    ......"they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they pleased"

    I realize many of you statists….view the unconstitutional ventures of our government as “Good” rather than “Evil”…..and its why you show no opposition to an all powerful centralized government, your life as a vegetable, The Democrat Nanny State, or The Kenyan-Irish Tyrant. But the day will come, when you will look back and remember how you cheered on a government that defied 70% of We The People…..because they will eventually defy 90% of We The People. And the day you move from the minority to that majority........is the moment you realize what the power to do whatever evil they please entails. Anything and everything can be done in the name of “Promoting the General Welfare”, at least according to the statist dictionary. A Government of, for, and by a single phrase.......

    When government’s chains are severed……our own are secured…..
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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    We have time to return to the Constitution. But not much. We already experience tyranny here. It is only a matter of time before the prisons fill with political prisoners. We already have show trials up on Capitol Hill. Can torture and executions be far behind?

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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    The Kenyan-Irish tyrant? What?

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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    "The greatest calamity which could befall us would be submission to a government of unlimited powers."
    --Thomas Jefferson--Founder--Conservative--Hater of Liberals--Great American






    .....the greatest calamity is upon us.
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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The Kenyan-Irish tyrant? What?
    Obama heads to Ireland in search of his roots - CNN.com

    .......anything but American.
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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Obama heads to Ireland in search of his roots - CNN.com

    .......anything but American.
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    Tell that to Irish-Americans.
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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Tell that to Irish-Americans.
    I get it now, he's got a mindset from the mid 1800s.



    Also from the article:

    You discover a lot about yourself when you're running for president," Barack Obama said on the campaign trail in 2008. "It was brought to my attention last year that my great-great-great-grandfather on my mother's side hailed from a small village in County Offaly."
    Clearly, there's not enough American in his blood. Why does anyone still listen to this guy's rants?

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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    That phrase of course being........."Provide for the General Welfare"......

    ……..or “Promote the General Welfare”

    "General Welfare".....the two words at the heart of the phrase and controversy, only appear twice in the Constitution, once in the Preamble and again in Article 1. Section 8. Two words, upon which the entire foundation and history of the Democrat Party
    Someone's ignorant of history.

    Oh, and Thomas Jefferson founded the Democratic Party, just thought I'd point that out.
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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Someone's ignorant of history.

    Oh, and Thomas Jefferson founded the Democratic Party, just thought I'd point that out.
    He was also a hypocrite, having negotiated the purchase of the Louisiana Territory during his Presidency despite the Constitution not giving him the explicit power to do so. This stretches how much he followed a "strict interpretation" of the Constitution.

    He also severely hurt the American economy by signing the Embargo Acts which prohibited trate with both England and France while they were fighting in the Napoleonic War. The American economy suffered while the economies of England and France were untouched by it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Has the entire instrument of Government been reduced to a single phrase?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Someone's ignorant of history.

    Oh, and Thomas Jefferson founded the Democratic Party, just thought I'd point that out.
    It gets complicated. I have, and have read, about half of his collected papers. This was news to me so I looked at Wikipedia:
    The Democratic-Republican Party or Republican Party was an American political party founded in the early 1790s by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Political scientists use the former name, while historians prefer the latter one; contemporaries generally called the party the "Republicans", along with many other names.
    He and Madison had a lifelong exchange of letters. Not one time can I recall either of them demanding increased taxes on the wealthy in order to give handouts to those who will not work.
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