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    Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    On Sean Hannity's radio program -- one week after commendably leading opposition to the Patriot Act on civil liberties grounds -- Sen. Rand Paul is now advocating the arrest of people who "attend radical political speeches."

    After claiming to be against racial and religious profiling, Paul said: "But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that's really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison."

    Is Paulís suggestion that people be imprisoned or deported for merely attending a political speech be a violation of the First Amendment?
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Free speech includes unpopular speech.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    On Sean Hannity's radio program -- one week after commendably leading opposition to the Patriot Act on civil liberties grounds -- Sen. Rand Paul is now advocating the arrest of people who "attend radical political speeches."

    After claiming to be against racial and religious profiling, Paul said: "But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that's really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison."

    Is Paul’s suggestion that people be imprisoned or deported for merely attending a political speech be a violation of the First Amendment?
    No idea regarding content...did he mean the speachgoers or that the person advocating for the violent overthrow of the country should be sent to prison? Sometimes people tend to ramble on.

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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    He's just trying to get people to stop going to Palin rallies.










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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No idea regarding content...did he mean the speachgoers or that the person advocating for the violent overthrow of the country should be sent to prison? Sometimes people tend to ramble on.
    He meant the attendees.
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    Paul said: "But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that's really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison."

    Is Paulís suggestion that people be imprisoned or deported for merely attending a political speech be a violation of the First Amendment?
    Is Attending Speech wich Advocates the Overthrow of the Government Protected Speech?
    You state in your question that attending is equivalent to speech. It is not. And, R. Paul is only stating in your quote of him that attending is illegal. Therefore itís not a crime to attend with your mouth shut. Also, nothing about violent over through is in your question, but you write about R. Paul stating violent over through. Which is it?

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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    He meant the attendees.
    Then he is a douchebag. I have to say tho...Rand Paul often comes across as the wealthy son of a famous Libertarian that often wades into conversations trying to sound as Libertariany as he knows how to. Its all about the meal ticket. I think he makes up 80% of the crap he says in the moment.

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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    I believe speech against the government is the most fundamental and protected of all speech.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I believe speech against the government is the most fundamental and protected of all speech.
    Advocating for the violent overthrow of a government is rather different than 'speaking out against the government' wouldnt you say? While attendance of such a meeting shouldnt be criminal, I can certtainly see promotion of the idea as worthy of a one way ticket to North Korea.

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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Advocating for the violent overthrow of a government is rather different than 'speaking out against the government' wouldnt you say? While attendance of such a meeting shouldnt be criminal, I can certtainly see promotion of the idea as worthy of a one way ticket to North Korea.
    The ability to revolt against the government, to replace it with a new one, remains proper and just tool of the People should a government ever not serve it's purpose to support and proliferate our rights and liberties. Violent overthrow of the government is the ultimate check the People have on the government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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