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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Is Attending Speech wich Advocates the Overthrow of the Government Protected Speech?
    You state in your question that attending is equivalent to speech. It is not. And, R. Paul is only stating in your quote of him that attending is illegal. Therefore it’s not a crime to attend with your mouth shut. Also, nothing about violent over through is in your question, but you write about R. Paul stating violent over through. Which is it?
    Violent overthrow.

    So then the next question you asked: Is the person who is speaking, and advocating about overthrowing the government, protected by the First Amendment?
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Advocating for the violent overthrow of a government is rather different than 'speaking out against the government' wouldnt you say? While attendance of such a meeting shouldnt be criminal, I can certtainly see promotion of the idea as worthy of a one way ticket to North Korea.
    So you believe that advocating for the violent overthrow of a government is not protected by the First Amendment?
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    On Sean Hannity's radio program -- one week after commendably leading opposition to the Patriot Act on civil liberties grounds -- Sen. Rand Paul is now advocating the arrest of people who "attend radical political speeches."

    After claiming to be against racial and religious profiling, Paul said: "But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that's really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison."

    Is Paul’s suggestion that people be imprisoned or deported for merely attending a political speech be a violation of the First Amendment?
    Well no - I don't think attending reflects your beliefs and values.

    I don't suport certain right or left agendas but I'll listen to them discuss it to understand *what* they're believing and feeling on the issues. . . how else is someone suppose to know what the others are talking about if they don't hear it first hand (via video - in person - etc)
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    I'm confused on this. I thought it was illegal to incite a riot or violence? Wouldn't making a speech about violently overthrowing the government fall into that?

    Regarding the attendees being at fault, no.


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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    On Sean Hannity's radio program -- one week after commendably leading opposition to the Patriot Act on civil liberties grounds -- Sen. Rand Paul is now advocating the arrest of people who "attend radical political speeches."

    After claiming to be against racial and religious profiling, Paul said: "But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that's really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison."

    Is Paul’s suggestion that people be imprisoned or deported for merely attending a political speech be a violation of the First Amendment?
    Speech advocating the violent overthrow of government is protected speech.

    What isn't protected is conspiracy to commit or overt acts of violence to overthrow the government.

    Pretty simple issue to me.
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I'm confused on this. I thought it was illegal to incite a riot or violence? Wouldn't making a speech about violently overthrowing the government fall into that?

    Regarding the attendees being at fault, no.
    Not necessarily.

    There's a difference between a Senate candidate suggesting we use "second amendment solutions" and going to the park and recruiting people to throw molotov cocktails at the federal building for the lulz. The latter is more immediate and may be less political than the former.
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well no - I don't think attending reflects your beliefs and values.

    I don't suport certain right or left agendas but I'll listen to them discuss it to understand *what* they're believing and feeling on the issues. . . how else is someone suppose to know what the others are talking about if they don't hear it first hand (via video - in person - etc)
    Excellent point right here. There is a definite difference between saying violent speeches and listening to violent speeches.
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I'm confused on this. I thought it was illegal to incite a riot or violence? Wouldn't making a speech about violently overthrowing the government fall into that?

    Regarding the attendees being at fault, no.
    I'm not entirely a fan of the "incite to riot or violence" thing as it's defined by the State and they can use it however they want. But within that context I would say that if it's a rally and people are talking about the downfall of the government, it's inattention to our rights and needs, and the necessity to do away with it; that's probably fine so long as that's it. If it were a group and everyone is armed and they're talking about "let's go get those bastards!" sort of thing, I can see that falling more into "incite a riot or violence".
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not entirely a fan of the "incite to riot or violence" thing as it's defined by the State and they can use it however they want. But within that context I would say that if it's a rally and people are talking about the downfall of the government, it's inattention to our rights and needs, and the necessity to do away with it; that's probably fine so long as that's it. If it were a group and everyone is armed and they're talking about "let's go get those bastards!" sort of thing, I can see that falling more into "incite a riot or violence".
    Yeah, you have to actually incite some violence for this to kick in. No violence, no problem.
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    Re: Is Attending Speech which Advocates the Overthrow of Government Protected Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The ability to revolt against the government, to replace it with a new one, remains proper and just tool of the People should a government ever not serve it's purpose to support and proliferate our rights and liberties. Violent overthrow of the government is the ultimate check the People have on the government.
    Violent overthrow of the government is treason and people that attempt it should be eliminated.

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