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Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

Is Sarah Palin's use of the flag breaking the law?

  • YES! Fine her! Throw her in jail!

    Votes: 3 6.5%

  • Maybe...it seems disrespectful.

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • Really? This is what we're talking about?

    Votes: 41 89.1%
  • Total voters
    46
Tucker Case said:
Agreed. But if someone is attempting to claim that they love the flag, shouldn't they adhere to that ettiquette?
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I really don't think it matters, to be honest. On the list of issues I'm concerned about regarding a potential candidate or political figure head, their stance or respect of a symbol is not high. That's why you didn't hear me raving when Obama didn't put his hand over his heart during a pledge to the flag.
 
Tucker Case said:
Agreed. But if someone is attempting to claim that they love the flag, shouldn't they adhere to that ettiquette?
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There are only two entities, that I'm aware of, that teach proper flag etiquette.....the military and the Boy Scouts. If you haven't been part of either, you likely were never trained.
 
tessaesque said:
I really don't think it matters, to be honest. On the list of issues I'm concerned about regarding a potential candidate or political figure head, their stance or respect of a symbol is not high. That's why you didn't hear me raving when Obama didn't put his hand over his heart during a pledge to the flag.
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Personally, I'm much more bothered by politicians and pundits who drape themselves in the flag in order to gain support, yet do so by violating flag code. I don't care which party the person belongs to.

It's not that I actually care about the flag code, because I don't, but it has to do with the inherent hypocrisy that the person is engaging in when they do this.

If someone doesn't show the flag respect, more power to 'em as long as they aren't using it as a means to self-promote.
 
American said:
There are only two entities, that I'm aware of, that teach proper flag etiquette.....the military and the Boy Scouts. If you haven't been part of either, you likely were never trained.
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Who needs to be taught that which is easily read?
 
X Factor said:
But look how many here are agreeing with the criticism of Palin over this.
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3 according to the poll results. Not exactly a huge amount of support among "the left".
 
Tucker Case said:
You need to reread the flag code:



United States Flag Code - Wikisource

I guess people have trouble "understanding that most provisions of 'flag code'... apply to an actual flag, not a representation or image of a flag" because they actually read the flag code and understand that your claim is false.
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Point conceded. I did indeed miss that part.

However...

Disrespectful, because it violates flag code?
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Disrespectful, because it violates flag code?
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Disrespectful, because it violates flag code?
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Disrespectful, because it violates flag code?
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Do YOU want to tell the American soldiers in this picture they are being disrespectful of thier flag, because this mural violates flag code?
 
tessaesque said:
I really don't think it matters, to be honest. On the list of issues I'm concerned about regarding a potential candidate or political figure head, their stance or respect of a symbol is not high. That's why you didn't hear me raving when Obama didn't put his hand over his heart during a pledge to the flag.
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I think I am in luv!
 
Tucker Case said:
Agreed. But if someone is attempting to claim that they love the flag, shouldn't they adhere to that ettiquette?
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Which politician claims to not love the flag? Can we be honest please, this is about using any excuse to bash Sarah Palin, which is fine, but then, let's not pretend you'd hold anyone else to the same standard.
 
Redress said:
3 according to the poll results. Not exactly a huge amount of support among "the left".
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Pay more attention to the comments than the poll results.
 
X Factor said:
Pay more attention to the comments than the poll results.
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We might almost, maybe, hit double digits almost. You really are not helping your case.
 
Tucker Case said:
Personally, I'm much more bothered by politicians and pundits who drape themselves in the flag in order to gain support, yet do so by violating flag code. I don't care which party the person belongs to.

It's not that I actualy care about th eflag code, because I don't, but it has to do with th einherent hypocrisy that the person is engaging in when they do this.

If someoen doesn't show the flag respect, more power to 'em as long as they aren't using it as a means to self-promote.
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Hypocrisy drives me nuts, don't get me wrong...but I've yet to see any of our wonderful elected officials (or hopefuls) avoid it all together. I think this guy (the reporter) thinks he hit the jackpot on this story. Palin polarizes people and this issue will only exacerbate that. Nevermind the fact that politicans use and "abuse" the flag everyday for their own gain (i.e. lapel pins to show their pride/dedication to America....all pandering to a sense of pride in the flag itself).

It's hard for me to get the outrage, because I don't buy into the flag-worship. We aren't unique in having a flag, or in having a flag whose design invokes specific representations of the country it represents. I guess symbolism helps promote national pride, so I see the logic...I just don't think we need to have summits over how to properly respect the flag, or a supreme court ruling that authorizes us to treat it like any other piece of property we possess.
 
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X Factor said:
Which politician claims to not love the flag? Can we be honest please, this is about using any excuse to bash Sarah Palin, which is fine, but then, let's not pretend you'd hold anyone else to the same standard.
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I agree that it is nothing more than an attempt to paint Palin in a negative light (as if she needs help!) but Tucker has not done what you suggest.
 
tessaesque said:
Hypocrisy drives me nuts, don't get me wrong...but I've yet to see any of our wonderful elected officials (or hopefuls) avoid it all together. I think this guy (the report) thinks he hit the jackpot on this story. Palin polarizes people and this issue will only exacerbate that. Nevermind the fact that politicans use and "abuse" the flag everyday for their own gain (i.e. lapel pins to show their pride/dedication to America).

It's hard for me to get the outrage, because I don't buy into the flag-worship. We aren't unique in having a flag, or in having a flag whose design invokes specific representations of the country it represents. I guess symbolism helps promote national pride, so I see the logic...I just don't think we need to have summits over how to properly respect the flag, or a supreme court ruling that authorizes us to treat it like any other piece of property we possess.
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i love you.
 
Whovian said:
Disrespectful, because it violates flag code?
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That one's iffy. It actually shows the flag as being flown from a staff (something that Palin's doesn't).

Disrespectful, because it violates flag code?
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According to the flag code, yes.

Disrespectful, because it violates flag code?
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Same as the first one.

Disrespectful, because it violates flag code?
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I don't see where there is a violation of flag code there.

Do YOU want to tell the American soldiers in this picture they are being disrespectful of thier flag, because this mural violates flag code?
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Even if there is a violation of flag code in that picture, it certainly was not done by the soldiers in the picture. It would have been whoever edited the photo.
 
Blackdog said:
I agree that it is nothing more than an attempt to paint Palin in a negative light (as if she needs help!) but Tucker has not done what you suggest.
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Honestly, Tucker's the first person I would think would be willing to say this is a dumb issue to get hung up on, even if it's Sarah Palin.
 
X Factor said:
Honestly, Tucker's the first person I would think would be willing to say this is a dumb issue to get hung up on, even if it's Sarah Palin.
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I don't really care if it is Palin or Obama. Overall, it is a dumb issue, but its the overuse of flag draping for self promotion that makes it an issue at all. I have much more of a problem with that.
 
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Tucker Case said:
I don't really care if it is Palin or Obama. Overall, it is a dumb issue, but its the overuse of flag draping for self promotion that makes it an issue at all.
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is wearing US-flag boxers a breach of etiquette as well, i wonder.
 
I just do not get the entire need to show respect or the worship by proxy thing. The flag is just a piece of material with a pattern on it. The nation is an integral part of my being and that of those I care for and share my national identity with. I have a ton of pride and respect for this nation, this is tangible and real.

I dunno I just do not understand the magnitude of attachment people have towards symbolism, it just seems almost like a primitive superstitious thing to me.
 
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