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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    The American flag is put on everything from t-shirts to toilet paper. To me, this is a mental attempt by many liberals to somehow appear like they are defending the flag after decades of seeming like the enemy to the flag (by believing in the honestly sensible decision that burning a flag in protest is still constitutional).
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The American flag is put on everything from t-shirts to toilet paper.
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    To me, this is a mental attempt by many liberals of somehow trying to appear like they are defending the flag after decades of seeming like the enemy to the flag (by believing in the honestly sensible decision that burning a flag in protest is still constitutional).
    No, it's just the attempt on the part of a few liberals to find another bull**** excuse to attack Sarah Palin (not that anyone is lacking in legitimate excuses to do so).
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The American flag is put on everything from t-shirts to toilet paper. To me, this is a mental attempt by many liberals of somehow trying to appear like they are defending the flag after decades of seeming like the enemy to the flag (by believing in the honestly sensible decision that burning a flag in protest is still constitutional).
    I think this evinces a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue on your part, Fiddy. Allowing flag-burning as a first amendment issue is a patriotic necessity. The real enemies of what the American flag represents are the ones who would criminal flag-burning.

    But you may be right about a lot of liberals. I've seen leftists do some pretty atrocious things to flags, and when they violate flag code, it's intentional. Much worse.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Grrr... Those flags on toilets make me want to puke. But I'm guessing Rev and Whovian would leap to defend them as patriotic.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No, it's just the attempt on the part of a few liberals to find another bull**** excuse to attack Sarah Palin (not that anyone is lacking in excuses to do so).
    I agree with you there. The people who wouldn't give a **** if Obama put a flag on his campaign ads are being massive hypocrites for attacking Palin on this.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post

    No, it's just the attempt on the part of a few liberals to find another bull**** excuse to attack Sarah Palin (not that anyone is lacking in excuses to do so).
    People like rhetorical targets. There has been a long sense by liberals that they are unfairly seen as unpatriotic, which is true, they have been unfairly painted. Often times what ends up happening is some in the community look for an "ah ha!" moment to catch conservatives doing something at least slightly up for discussion. Don't get me wrong, it is partly a bull**** excuse to attack Palin, but it is apart of the community need to somehow reduce the stigma of liberal patriotism.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    People like rhetorical targets. There has been a long sense by liberals that they are unfairly seen as unpatriotic. Often times what ends up happening is some in the community look for an "ah ha!" moment to catch conservatives doing something at least slightly up for discussion. Don't get me wrong, it is partly a bull**** excuse to attack Palin, but it is apart of the community need to somehow reduce the stigma of liberal patriotism.
    That's an oxymoron

    in all seriousness I don't think liberals feel the need to compensate for their perceived lack of patriotism. I'm a patriot, even if I don't show it by driving around a big American truck with a flag attached to it, and I couldn't give less of a **** what some conservative bumper-sticker, flag-waving nationalist thinks of how I feel about by country.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I think this evinces a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue on your part, Fiddy. Allowing flag-burning as a first amendment issue is a patriotic necessity. The real enemies of what the American flag represents are the ones who would criminal flag-burning.

    But you may be right about a lot of liberals. I've seen leftists do some pretty atrocious things to flags, and when they violate flag code, it's intentional. Much worse.
    I said it was a sensible position to take.

    in all seriousness I don't think liberals feel the need to compensate for their perceived lack of patriotism. I'm a patriot, even if I don't show it by driving around a big American truck with a flag attached to it, and I couldn't give less of a **** what some conservative bumper-sticker, flag-waving patriot thinks of how I feel about by country.
    I see it. Some may not feel the need to display it in such ways, but irregardless, there is a huge feeling that liberals are getting the short end of the stick with what is considered or who is considered patriotic.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I said it was a sensible position to take.



    I see it. Some may not feel the need to display it in such ways, but irregardless, there is a huge feeling that liberals are getting the short end of the stick with what is considered or who is considered patriotic.
    Definitely. But I don't see the desire on the part of liberals to want to compensate for it, for the most part. At the most, if someone accuses me of being unpatriotic simply because I'm a liberal, I'll give him an honest response about how I feel on the subject, and if he or she still isn't willing to listen and continue to subscribe to the "conservatives love their country more than liberals" stereotype, then I just leave.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Definitely. But I don't see the desire on the part of liberals to want to compensate for it, for the most part. At the most, if someone accuses me of being unpatriotic simply because I'm a liberal, I'll give him an honest response about how I feel on the subject, and if he or she still isn't willing to listen and continue to subscribe to the "conservatives love their country more than liberals" stereotype, then I just leave.
    I thought it awfully similar to the family values routine. Conservatives were able to puff their chest in the midst of the counterculture, rightly so I might add, and liberals were struggling with coming up with an identity thereafter (partly because counterculture folks were trying to push out liberal opinion). Liberals since then have longed for the moment where a conservative, who had puffed up their chest or not, engages in dubious moral behavior. You would never hear the end of it, because of the sense of needing to "expose the hypocrisy."
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I see it. Some may not feel the need to display it in such ways, but irregardless, there is a huge feeling that liberals are getting the short end of the stick with what is considered or who is considered patriotic.
    well, at Conservative Protest Rallies, the speakers get interrupted by chants of USA USA USA

    at Liberal Protest Rallies, people wave signs about AMERIKKKA

    Conservative Churches get politicized and people worry that they are saying Jesus Loves America More Than Anyone Else, and the return of Manifest Destiny

    Liberal Churches get politicized and start talking about the USKKK of A and how America had 9/11 coming to her




    now, it might be unfair to judge any broad-based movement by it's extremes. But I think it's indicative of what direction you are thrusting in when the people who have thrust themselves a bit further are so diametrically opposite.

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