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Thread: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Incorrect. My time is valuable, and I am not going to relieve you of your burden in the debate. You should support your own arguments and not whine about having to do so. At least you've done the former

    Now, my answers? The first three murals clearly violate flag code, the last picture clearly does not.
    The last four hours or so would seem to indicate not so much.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
    Incorrect. My time is valuable, and I am not going to relieve you of your burden in the debate. You should support your own arguments and not whine about having to do so. At least you've done the former

    Now, my answers? The first three murals clearly violate flag code, the last picture clearly does not.
    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    The last four hours or so would seem to indicate not so much.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    The last four hours or so would seem to indicate not so much.

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    Good one

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You capitalized Flag & Code, implying officialism.
    The word Code ought to be capitalized because it refers to US Code. The word Flag I capitalize out of respect, like a proper name, and to distinguish the Flag from flags generally.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Correction: Children can say whatever collection of words they want and call it the "Pledge" but that doesn't make it the Pledge. The actual Pledge is contained in US Code.

    Again, just because it is unenforceable doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What a tragic state of affairs that so many people find it difficult to give proper respect to the Flag and all that it represents in the absence of punishment.

    What ever happened to doing the right thing for its own sake?
    Part of the pledge is the "under God" part, which to me is hollow, and insincere, why would I be dishonest and pledge to a country under something I do not even believe to exist. If I am going to say the pledge with sincerity, then I should be honest about it, and not make empty pledges that are meaningless to me. This also extends to the flag portion of the pledge, to me it is just a symbolic worship of the flag. I do not do symbolic worship or adoration, it makes no sense to me what is important is that you honor the thing itself not some proxy. To pledge allegiance to the flag would be vacuous and meaningless I have no allegiance to a symbolic piece of cloth with colors on it. On the other hand pledging allegiance to the country itself (as opposed to a symbol) is not vacuous and meaningless. I understand that others put a great deal of value into the symbolism of the flag, that is fine for them and for you. For me it makes no sense, it seems primitive and superstitious to me. Making such a pledge would be insincere. Just to make sure the point is driven home again, it is not just the flag symbolism, but symbolism itself, I just do not get some derivative sense of worth for an object used symbolically and as such do not see any point to feign otherwise - that IMO would be the greater offense.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The word Code ought to be capitalized because it refers to US Code. The word Flag I capitalize out of respect, like a proper name, and to distinguish the Flag from flags generally.
    Pretty sure we all knew which flag you were talking about even without the cap.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Part of the pledge is the "under God" part, which to me is hollow, and insincere, why would I be dishonest and pledge to a country under something I do not even believe to exist.
    If you can't say the Pledge as written for reasons of conscience, then so be it. This fact does not mean that you are able to make up your own Pledge, it's just not an option.

    I regret that you feel this way about the Pledge of Allegiance. But if you can't say the Pledge of Allegiance how can you expect to say the Pledge of Allegiance?

    This is a matter of definition. The Pledge of Allegiance is written by Congress, not individuals.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Pretty sure we all knew which flag you were talking about even without the cap.
    Well, there are flags and there is the Flag.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If it was my kid, the irreverence of it would be very concerning to me.
    I don't believe it was irreverence - your belief system does not match hers.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If you can't say the Pledge as written for reasons of conscience, then so be it. This fact does not mean that you are able to make up your own Pledge, it's just not an option.

    I regret that you feel this way about the Pledge of Allegiance. But if you can't say the Pledge of Allegiance how can you expect to say the Pledge of Allegiance?

    This is a matter of definition. The Pledge of Allegiance is written by Congress, not individuals.
    I would much rather my loyalty to my country be directly through my thoughts, feelings and actions than to present it in some pledge that portions thereof would ultimately would feel dishonest to me (and I did not open this can of worms the last post, but the pledge is just another bit of symbolism anyhow).
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