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Thread: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Big difference. Something can 'represent' the flag, without being 'mistaken for' the flag.
    I see your point. You're making a good argument that the American Legion mural is also a violation of Flag Code.

    Did you switch sides in this debate or something?

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Is it just me, or does it look like the eagle's about to pluck the guy off the cherry-picker?
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Yes! The Pledge is part of Flag Code, Title 4 USC Chapter 1 Section 4.
    Which isn't enforcible, valid law. It's a guide. Children are allowed to remove the terms "under god" from the pledge. Some entire school districts have done it. Why can't I modify it to my belief system, so long as I'm still pledging allegience to my country?
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Why? I'm pledging my loyalty to the country, above all else. There is absolutely ntohing wrong with that.
    That, and you were thinking. Not just parroting.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Which isn't enforcible, valid law.
    "Enforceable law" and "valid law" are not synonyms. Flag Code is not enforceable, but it is valid law.

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    It's a guide.
    No, it's law.

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    Children are allowed to remove the terms "under god" from the pledge.
    No, they aren't.

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    Some entire school districts have done it.
    If they have then they were wrong to do so.

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    Why can't I modify it to my belief system, so long as I'm still pledging allegience to my country?
    You can modify the Pledge, you just have to do it by act of Congress.

    Look, I don't think the words "under God" belong in the Pledge either, I think it violates the first amendment. But it doesn't matter what I think, since I don't get to decide those things unilaterally.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Actually, Guy; what is anybody going to do with a child who picks and chooses how they say the pledge. Seriously. I'd be grateful they're thinking, myself.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
    Yes! The Pledge is part of Flag Code, Title 4 USC Chapter 1 Section 4.
    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Which isn't enforceable, valid law. It's a guide. Children are allowed to remove the terms "under god" from the pledge. Some entire school districts have done it. Why can't I modify it to my belief system, so long as I'm still pledging allegiance to my country?

    Technical;ly Guy, it's part of US Code, not part of Flag Code. Title 4 USC Chapter 1 is 'commonly referred to as 'flag Code', but it's officially Title 4 USC Chapter 1... of which Chapter 4 contains the following...
    The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all., should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.
    nothing in there about removing or not removing parts, requiring it to be said, etc... just 'how' it is to be delivered when it is actually said.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You can modify the Pledge, you just have to do it by act of Congress.

    Look, I don't think the words "under God" belong in the Pledge either, I think it violates the first amendment. But it doesn't matter what I think, since I don't get to decide those things unilaterally.
    if you wish to modify it officially - certainly.

    however, children can say whatever combination of phrases that are in the Pledge that they please; and to enforce otherwise is a violation of the First Amendment.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    anywho. wonder if those three people will be willing to support Impeachment Trials for President Obama given his "breaking of the law and need to be thrown in jail"

    After all, here he is using the flag in the first ad of his 2012 campaign; at the 5 second mark, the 25 second mark, and the 50 second mark.




    Conservatives: anyone else find it funny that, when addressing an MSNBC audience, Bashir felt that he had to remind them that the Stars and Stripes is the American flag?
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if you wish to modify it officially - certainly.

    however, children can say whatever combination of phrases that are in the Pledge that they please; and to enforce otherwise is a violation of the First Amendment.
    Correction: Children can say whatever collection of words they want and call it the "Pledge" but that doesn't make it the Pledge. The actual Pledge is contained in US Code.

    Again, just because it is unenforceable doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What a tragic state of affairs that so many people find it difficult to give proper respect to the Flag and all that it represents in the absence of punishment.

    What ever happened to doing the right thing for its own sake?

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