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Thread: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Translation: I am too lazy to go and look, and it might prove me wrong if I did.


    Well, here...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059534218



    now that I've done your thread research FOR you... answer the question.
    I'm still not sure how the last one violates flag code. It appears to be perfectly displayed in accordance with the code.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Did you even read this article?
    Do you have a point?

    Another tip: "Never" is an absolute and quoting absolutes is usually a losing proposition.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It wasn't just any old person who wrote flag code, it was the very country that you claim means everything to you. We the people have decided how the flag should be treated, and formalized it in Title 4 USC Chapter 1. It's the law.

    But I guess that's not good enough for you, huh?
    It's a law that elected officials wrote. You would be hard pressed to argue that elected officials are always or even usually right, first of all. Secondly, apparently more than one Supreme Court ruling has stated the freedom of speech trumps flag code. So apparently the Supreme Court doesn't support America either, right?

    It is an arbitrary symbol. It means nothing until somebody decides that it does. I can decide right now that holding up my ring and middle finger with the others folded down means "you're a commie prick", but it doesn't mean anything to anybody else until they decide to put that meaning into it. Our nation will not survive or die on our dedication to a piece of cloth. Our country will survive or die on the basis of whether its citizens elect officials who wish to protect the country. Protecting the flag is not part of that.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm still not sure how the last one violates flag code. It appears to be perfectly displayed in accordance with the code.
    It shows that he doesn't have a particularly thorough understanding of the requirements of flag code that he thinks all of those displays of the flag are equivalent.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It's a law that elected officials wrote.
    Let's go back to Civics 101. Who elected those officials?

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm still not sure how the last one violates flag code. It appears to be perfectly displayed in accordance with the code.
    I am assuming it is a mural... but looking at the last one again, it might not even be there... could be photoshopped, in which case it would certainly not be applicable.

    However, the other images posted are all murals... outside... which meet the definition of 'flag' in the code... and would get rained on or snowed on, thus technically violating the code. However, I seriously doubt those responsible, nor anyone passing by those murals, woudl consider them unpatriotic or a defemation of the 'flag', and as such a violation or offense.

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Let's go back to Civics 101. Who elected those officials?
    Did you just flat out ignore the very next sentence in my quote.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    No, some people decided to give importance to an object. They created an arbitrary code which contains suggested behaviors when handling an object they gave significance to. It has no significance to me, and since I can not be punished for refusing to fake significance, I won't. It is a law that is been invalidated, which is why it cannot be enforced and violations penalized. It is merely a suggestion, based on the opinions of those who wrote it. The majority may support those suggestions, but they are not harmed by my not following them....nor is the country. "Right thing" is incredibly subjective in regards to flag handling procedures and proper "respect" of the flag. Respect of the flag is not mandatory, nor should it be.

    To worship the flag as some do is almost the political equivalent of idol worship, if you think about it. Putting a symbol before the very thing it represents...
    Just out of curiosity; did you used to pledge allegiance to the flag, or did you choose not to? Was it ever even requested of you?

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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It wasn't just any old person who wrote flag code, it was the very country that you claim means everything to you. We the people have decided how the flag should be treated, and formalized it in Title 4 USC Chapter 1. It's the law.

    But I guess that's not good enough for you, huh?
    Guy, I honestly respect your obvious passion for this. Between having a bunch of respect for the flag and having none at all, I prefer the former. You've also shown me that, for you, this really is about the flag (not just Sarah Palin) and I respect that as well.
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    Re: Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Just out of curiosity; did you used to pledge allegiance to the flag, or did you choose not to? Was it ever even requested of you?
    We did the pledge when I was in school. I pledged allegience to the county, with liberty and justice for all...once I was old enough to make the distinctions I've outlined here.
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