View Poll Results: Birth permit?

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  • Yes, direct permit (license)

    7 30.43%
  • Yes, indirect permit (taxation)

    1 4.35%
  • Hell no, this is an outrageous idea!

    4 17.39%
  • No, the state must stay out of this

    7 30.43%
  • I don't know

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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, that would be gender discrimination, since you are only requiring mothers to attend such a class and not the fathers.

    Second of all, people would never go for a pass or fail mandatory parenting class because the government should not be allowed to mandate to people how they should be raising their children. Protecting children from abuse is one thing, but requiring that people know how to raise their children "the right way" is wrong.
    I'm only requiring mothers to attend because only women give birth. However I have no problems with demanding that a man go through mandatory parenting classes before he can have his parental rights instated.

    And there are some really basic things that all parents need to be educated on. Especially health care for their children. And there are also a lot of laws on the books that parents need to know regarding their children, which such a class can teach too. And guess what - parents don't know those things as soon as they pop a kid out.

    So I think having such a class would be very good and it would ensure every parent is made aware of their rights and educates them on what to expect from their newborn children. Which is for the parents' benefit just as much as it's for the child's benefit.

    So I think you really misunderstood what I meant by my position.
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    Re: Birth permit

    Free people should not be told when or how to breed

    those on the public dole, however are no longer free because they are dependent on the wealth and toil of others to exist. those in such conditions have a moral duty to not impose unnecessary additional costs on those tasked with supporting them and if they do then they should face sanctions including breeding restrictions



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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Social welfare, overpopulation, resource scarcity, ethnic map, etc. Do you think they can or must result in a "birth permit", i.e. the state dictating demographics in exchange of welfare, for example? Could it be direct (license) or indirect (taxation) permit?
    Should criminals, drug addicts, hobos, etc be allowed to have children?

    Are we headed that direction? I mean, China already implemented something like this (heavy taxation for a second child) due to huge population and scarce territory. Please, share your thoughts.
    Hell no this is an outrageous idea and the government must stay out of it.
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    Re: Birth permit

    The best way to prevent reckless childbearing is to stop subsidizing it.

    ALL welfare programs that pay for any form of it should be REPEALED.

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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    The best way to prevent reckless childbearing is to stop subsidizing it.

    ALL welfare programs that pay for any form of it should be REPEALED.
    Also there should be no tax breaks for having kids even if you are not on welfare; that's subsidizing. Also, can we make it so only parents pay for public schools then? Cause we subsidize the funding of those from everyone. Also being married should not get you a break on things like mortgage and such.
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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Also there should be no tax breaks for having kids even if you are not on welfare; that's subsidizing. Also, can we make it so only parents pay for public schools then? Cause we subsidize the funding of those from everyone. Also being married should not get you a break on things like mortgage and such.
    I don't agree with the suggestion on education. Having educated children benefits everybody. The better educated they are, the more they will make, the more they will contribute taxes to programs that benefit the entire population. We have a vested interest in somebody else's child succeeding in school.
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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't agree with the suggestion on education. Having educated children benefits everybody. The better educated they are, the more they will make, the more they will contribute taxes to programs that benefit the entire population. We have a vested interest in somebody else's child succeeding in school.
    In all honesty, I do agree with you on this case. I do believe that a well educated populace is a necessity to a free state. However, on the general comment of end all subsidies, I brought forth various other subsidies which are currently used by married folk.
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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In all honesty, I do agree with you on this case. I do believe that a well educated populace is a necessity to a free state. However, on the general comment of end all subsidies, I brought forth various other subsidies which are currently used by married folk.
    I'm on the anti-subsidy train, for sure. I also support a simple, across-the-board, constant tax rate percentage, regardless of income level, with no deduction.
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