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  • Yes, direct permit (license)

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  • Yes, indirect permit (taxation)

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  • Hell no, this is an outrageous idea!

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Thread: Birth permit

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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Social welfare, overpopulation, resource scarcity, ethnic map, etc. Do you think they can or must result in a "birth permit", i.e. the state dictating demographics in exchange of welfare, for example? Could it be direct (license) or indirect (taxation) permit?
    Should criminals, drug addicts, hobos, etc be allowed to have children?

    Are we headed that direction? I mean, China already implemented something like this (heavy taxation for a second child) due to huge population and scarce territory. Please, share your thoughts.
    I voted "Other."

    I think that a woman who is pregnant should be required to attend parenting classes that teach and train her in her duties and responsibilities as a mother. If she fails this course then her child should be taken away from her until such a time as her fitness to be a parent can be re-determined. To make up for any financial hardship caused by this, all women get maternity leave paid for by the state and their employment will be protected by law.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    I am on the fence on this one.. I see many valid and good reasons to limiting our nations birth rate.. The question is really, how do you do it and how do you enforce it.. What about religious issue??
    I'm not so concerned about lowering the birth rate as I am concerned with lowering the parenting rate.

    I'm fine with having a good birth rate. I just want to limit who can become parents. Because there's a lot of people out there who are breeding who really shouldn't be. Personally, that's what I want to put a stop to.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The elite in China live of off (literally) child slave labor and a total lack of enforcement regarding environmental law. They also lack any civil law. China's system is perhaps the best example of unsustainability in the world. They value their own currency, forge their child mortality rates and treat their own as slaves. If (and when) China adopts basic labor, civil and environmental rights - the country will collapse and probably fragment.

    China is the world's paper tiger.
    Hell yeah they do. That's why they're so cheap. There's no way a company based in America could really compete without tarrifs with a company based in China because in America we have proper labor and environmental laws and all those cost money.

    In terms of the poll, I voted that the State should stay out of it, but I also wanted to vote "Hell no! That's an outrageous idea" because it's outrageous to suggest that the government has proper means of control here. America is fine, we're at replacement. That's a good place to be.
    Last edited by Ikari; 05-31-11 at 02:04 PM.
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    Re: Birth permit

    Too dangerous. The government can't even place existing children in quality foster/adoptive care. I don't trust them to determine who can or can't be parents before they're given the option to be parents. I do, however, support mandatory sterilization for repeat offenders found guilty of child neglect or abuse.
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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I voted "Other."

    I think that a woman who is pregnant should be required to attend parenting classes that teach and train her in her duties and responsibilities as a mother. If she fails this course then her child should be taken away from her until such a time as her fitness to be a parent can be re-determined. To make up for any financial hardship caused by this, all women get maternity leave paid for by the state and their employment will be protected by law.
    First of all, that would be gender discrimination, since you are only requiring mothers to attend such a class and not the fathers.

    Second of all, people would never go for a pass or fail mandatory parenting class because the government should not be allowed to mandate to people how they should be raising their children. Protecting children from abuse is one thing, but requiring that people know how to raise their children "the right way" is wrong.
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    Re: Birth permit

    I'd say that we just go with norplants delivered via sniper rifles, starting with the people of walmart.

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    Re: Birth permit

    Is there a compelling state interest in the governmental regulation of birthing rights?
    That argument certainly could be made, on several levels.
    Last edited by PzKfW IVe; 05-31-11 at 03:52 PM.

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    Re: Birth permit

    I personally feel we are headed for a global population epidemic which will affect everyone. At some point, perhaps not in the immediate future, we are simply going to have to many people to support on our earths capabilities. Not any different then the animal kingdom where high reproduction happens during years of plentiful food which leads to starvation and a die off in a lean year.

    I feel a global limit could be a good thing. If we maintain global population limits low enough to have a buffer for years of bad food yields it would help insure people across the planet are not left starving.

    I would not support a US limit without a global limit however.

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    Re: Birth permit

    If the Birth Permissions will be lunched than probably only for Muslim Immigrants.

    Last edited by Alfons; 05-31-11 at 03:54 PM.
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    Re: Birth permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    If the Birth Permissions will be lunched than probably only for Muslim Immigrants.
    That's the other reason I'm opposed to it. If we cut the birth rate amongst the native population, business will be forced to turn to immigrants to cover the gap. We would be committing evolutionary suicide.

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