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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    This is all kinds of wrong! Bless those little babies and let them be who they are. In my humble opinion it is wrong to attempt to make them like "us". They aren't broken, they don't need to be fixed. They are different, as hopefully, we all are. They don't need to locked up in a closet, hidden from the public, changed to fool others into thinking they are someone different than who they are. Down's Syndrome people are not stupid. They know, they feel. Why in the name of all things holy would anyone want to subject a child to needless surgery to hide the child from who or she is? The inference is then, "You are different, you are ugly, you should be ashamed."; We are good, we are desirable, we are more perfect and you should look like us." Arrrrrrghhhh!!!!

    The idea totally chaps my ass.
    It's not like that to me.

    I've been around people who have missing limbs for a large portion of my life.
    They are treated as if they have a mental handicap.

    Sometimes its easier to fit in.
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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    I thought plastic surgery was not possible on a child because of growing skin and bones.

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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    I see nothing wrong with it. What if you had a child who was born with some physical deformity, or had their appearance badly mangled in an accident? Wouldn't you want to correct it if possible? I think this is similar. People with Down's Syndrome look different, and will be judged based on their appearance, so I see nothing wrong with trying to make them look more "normal."

    The idea of educating society instead of changing the appearance is unrealistic. This particular family's ability to make society less ignorant is limited, whereas their ability to change their child's appearance through surgery is considerable. I don't blame them at all for wanting their child to be happy, and to not be viewed as a freak by other people.
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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    This is a cute idea, but it seems to me like it's fundamentally missing the point. Using surgery to make the children look normal doesn't make the children be normal and it isn't going to stop the other children from bullying them.

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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    why is it that our society insists on placing so much value on our outside appearance? Downs Syndrome children are beautiful just the way they are.
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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I've had A LOT of experience with people who have physical "deformities" and wanting people to be more educated is kinda pie in the sky, in my opinion.

    For every 1 person that doesn't care, there are 1000 more people who treat them like freaks.
    It's more of a person just wanting to fit in and the parents would probably rather the child not be treated as such, all their life.
    So the obvious solution is to subject a non-consenting child to huge amounts of pain and danger just so we can "hide" them?

    I really don't know too many people over the age of 9 who don't know what Downs kids look like and that it's not a big deal. You're really assuming your average person is pretty stupid, and pretty cruel. I don't find that to be the case. I saw kids at my school picking on the "normal" kids more than the disabled or "deformed" kids. Because we were taught not to.

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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    So the obvious solution is to subject a non-consenting child to huge amounts of pain and danger just so we can "hide" them?

    I really don't know too many people over the age of 9 who don't know what Downs kids look like and that it's not a big deal. You're really assuming your average person is pretty stupid, and pretty cruel. I don't find that to be the case. I saw kids at my school picking on the "normal" kids more than the disabled or "deformed" kids. Because we were taught not to.
    The average person is really stupid.

    I've spent the last 10 or so years of my life living around persons with physical disabilities.
    Go into Walmart or practically anywhere and you will see what happens.

    People treat them like they have a severe mental handicap.
    Most just want to fit in and not be bothered.
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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I see nothing wrong with it. What if you had a child who was born with some physical deformity, or had their appearance badly mangled in an accident? Wouldn't you want to correct it if possible? I think this is similar. People with Down's Syndrome look different, and will be judged based on their appearance, so I see nothing wrong with trying to make them look more "normal."

    The idea of educating society instead of changing the appearance is unrealistic. This particular family's ability to make society less ignorant is limited, whereas their ability to change their child's appearance through surgery is considerable. I don't blame them at all for wanting their child to be happy, and to not be viewed as a freak by other people.
    You're acting as though Downs kids are hideously deformed or something. They really aren't that weird-looking. They're identifiable as "not quite like normal people" but it's not like they have an arm growing out of their head.

    You're failing to recognize educating people has worked. Does anyone here freak out when they see a Downs person? Does anyone here think they would bully a Downs kid? I'd be shocked if anyone here would react very differently at all to meeting someone with Downs. I bet most of you probably do now and then. And I bet it's absolutely nothing special.

    And I know we can teach this to kids pretty young, because I went to a school were we did that. And I know kids can be taught to leave disabled people alone, and they do more so than they leave each other alone, because that's how things were.

    And I doubt a family that can afford to force cosmetic surgery on their kids for no valid reason is shy on resources.
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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    You're acting as though Downs kids are hideously deformed or something. They really aren't that weird-looking. They're identifiable as "not quite like normal people" but it's not like they have an arm growing out of their head.

    You're failing to recognize educating people has worked. Does anyone here freak out when they see a Downs person? Does anyone here think they would bully a Downs kid? I'd be shocked if anyone here would react very differently at all to meeting someone with Downs. I bet most of you probably do now and then. And I bet it's absolutely nothing special.

    And I know we can teach this to kids pretty young, because I went to a school were we did that. And I know kids can be taught to leave disabled people alone, and they do more so than they each other alone, because that's how things were.

    And I doubt a family that can afford to force cosmetic surgery on their kids for no valid reason is shy on resources.
    No one is saying that at all.

    The fact is that a great many people, including parents of children with down syndrome, don't want to be defined by their disability.
    Reducing the societal effect of that can help a person cope mentally with situations that arise from their appearance.

    One person I'm close with has a multi birth defect that caused a limb amputation and skin discoloration.

    The nerve and rudeness of some people, you just wouldn't believe.

    Adults, tugging on their clothing, asking "whats wrong with you?" and things of that nature.
    This person does not want to be defined as the "crippled person" but people typically and rudely do so.
    Last edited by Harry Guerrilla; 05-30-11 at 11:26 PM.
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    Re: Plastic Surgery for Children With Down's Syndrome.

    I don't see how being so ashamed of the way your child looks that you force them to have cosmetic surgery sends the message of acceptance. In their parents eyes, their child is SO defined by their disability that they need to hide it by any means necessary, even at the risk of their lives.

    Perhaps more schools should have the sort of mentor program mine had. It's simple and probably saves the school money. And it teaches kids not to act like jerks towards people who are different.

    I know most schools don't have that. So obviously there isn't enough of it going around for you to say it's "not working."

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