1.)No, there are no extra steps, you get the license, the preacher marries you, he signs it, returns it and "Voila" you are married. No other steps necessary. If you marry outside the church, the JOP performs the marriage, signs the license and returns it - same as the religious ceremony.
2.)Your opinion, once it became legal that was it! No other steps necessary.
3.)The religious ceremonies are all legal at the time they are being performed, unless they are fake ceremonies like the ones that you mention and those don't count, they are neither religious nor legal, they are a farce.
4.)You are the one pushing a false opinion, trying to make farce marriage compare to real marriages. The only difference between a religious ceremony and a non-religious ceremony is where they take place, if there is a license involved, they are both legal at the time they are being performed, considering that both signed licenses have to be turned back in, for the marriage to be recorded in the court, which makes them legal.
5.)You are wrong, but obviously you are going to hold on to your wrong opinion, LOL is right!
6.) And what are the legal steps that you speak of? All licenses have to be signed and returned to be legal - no different a religious ceremony from a non-religious ceremony.
7.)You are confusing the word "legal" with non-religious. Both religious and non-religious are legal if done right, and your opinion is worthless, you don't know what you are talking about.
8.)What you have if married by singing Elvis is a non-religious ceremony, unless the license is returned signed by Elvis, you are not married, religious or not.
9.) Obviously you don't know anything about marriages. The religious ceremony is legal if there is a license and it is signed by the preacher/priest and returned to the county courthouse. A marriage that takes place in a church is a legal marriage, and we're not talking about those fake ones done in psuedo churches.
10.) They are separate only in your head. You are confusing a non-religious ceremony with "legal" - when both religious and non-religious are legal if done right, getting a license, having the official sign it and return it to the courthouse. You're confused!
11.)You don't answer because you don't have a leg to stand on. You've confused the whole issue of religious and non-religious with "legal" marriage, when a legal marriage can be done in a church or outside the church - as long as they follow the rules of the state, either one is a "legal" marriage. Sorry - go look it up, I know I am right and you are totally confused.
12.)The one needing to wipe egg off their face is you, because obviously you also have comprehension problems, as some other poster already pointed out. I said people getting married in a church are officially considered married by the state, if they do what is required. There is nothing wrong with my statement, just that you didn't comprehend it and that is your problem not mine.
13.) And, your acting like a child is further proof that you have a problem comprehending what is being said. You twist things and make false statements and then attribute them to others. I quoted what I said, so shame on you for making crap up.
14.) I don't have to go back and look, I know what I've been saying all along, and you aren't going to confuse religious with non-religious and call the non-religious legal, because it is no more legal than a religious ceremony if the proper steps aren't taken.
15.)Like the other poster already pointed out - your whole basis for arguing is to flamebait. Unfortunately for you, I'm not immature and act like a child, who doesn't comprehend and then acts like they did and the other person didn't. You need to own up to your behavior.
16.)The proof that I'm right and that you have taken the whole issue and confused it.
All marriages that are recorded in the courthouse are "legal" - whether they were performed in a church or outside the church. Get that through your head.
17.)Repeating them doesn't make them change into fact. You are wrong and are too immature to accept it.
18.)Well, you got the facts wrong. A religious ceremony and a non-religious ceremony can both produce a "legal marriage" if the steps of the state are followed. So, you are totally off-base saying religious ceremonies don't produce legal marriages, I'm laughing my head off at your inane statements.
19.)All religions have to follow the same steps, it isn't a matter of my religion or someone else's, it is the "state's" rules, not the churches. Another fail for you!
20.)I don't want to confuse you even further with facts. You just don't get it!
Religious ceremonies produce legal marriages just like non-religious ceremonies do, if done according to the state rules. That you are making them into two separate items is laughable.
21.)Let me know when you get someone that has no comprehension problems explain it to you, because then you may be able to figure out that what you are saying is totally insane.
Do you live in america? Its like you have no sense of reality at all. Lets go through these lies and total misunderstanding you have.
1.) WRONG legal steps MUST be done, this is a fact. Sorry no matter how you spin it LEGAL step have to be done to get LEGAL marriage. You even mention the LICENSE, thats is a LEGAL extra step LMAO
2.) You have comprehension issues, you admit it took a license to become legal because the church was granted power by the state(another LEGAL step) and then try to say no other steps are need????? do you even read what you are typing?
the license? LEGAL STEP
the power granted to the church? LEGAL STEP
what arent YOU understanding? LOL
3.) again Im starting to think you arent from America. The churches have a constitutional right to marry anybody they want to
religiously. This is a fact you can not change and your opinion on whether they are a farce or not also doesnt matter. The people getting religiously married and the church doing doesnt care what YOU think LOL and NO not all religious ceremonies are also LEGAL marriages, sorry you are misinformed again no matter what YOUR church does.
4.) Wrong again. Im am talking about FACTS and reality you are talking about some fantasy land. NEWS FLASH, the license is a LEGAL process. LEEEEEEGAAAAAAL lol and marriages are in fact performed with out them. Wow. Again your opinion that these religious ceremonies dont matter if they dont do the legal steps is meaningless and quite frankly ignorant.
5.) No matter what you believe what I said is a fact, id LOVE to hear proof that its not, back it up like I did, so far you have offered nothing. One can exist without the other, that makes it a fact. Ill state this fact again. "ONE can NOT grant the OTHER, simple common sense, logic and FACT"
argue against it, ill be waiting
6.) how do you not understand the LICENSE is the LEGAL part? You keep saying it like its not the Legal part? LOL
7.) Im not confusing anything you obviously aren't from here and dont understand that the license is the legal part.
Religious marriages can happen without a license
Legal marriage can not.
8.) Yes am I aware its a non-religious marriage and thats my whole point LMAO that doesn't grant me a religious marriage making them SEPARATE. And yes I know I need to do the LEGAL steps to be LEGALLY married NOBODY is arguing that so stop saying common sense things to make yourself look right it wont work.
9.) Did you just mention the county court house (something LEGAL) in argument that religious marriage and legal marriage are NOT separate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA thanks for once again putting egg on you face. Like I said LEGAL steps need made. But you are right "im" the one confused LMAO Oh brother. You just admitted without the court house (legal step) there is no LEGAL marriage. and this is why they are separate. Fact all marriages performed in churches are NOT legal marriages without the LEGAL steps. FACT
also your opinion of what is a church and what isnt is meaningless, ignorant and bigoted. You have no right to call another church a pseudo church just cause you dont agree with them. Another reason I dont believe you are american.
10.) Im not confused one bit I understand the reality fine and you just repeated it for me and dont even know it. LEGAL marriage needs LEGAL steps, without them there is no LEGAL marriage. This is a fact and what makes them separate. There is no religious step that is out there that grants me a LEGAL marriage.
11.) No i didnt answer because it was pure nonsensical babbling.
you just again said stuff that supports me that doesnt hurt me. You said they must follow the rules of the state LMOA TADAAAAAA! thats what makes them desperate. ALso no one every argued against this. But the LEGAL steps must be done of there is no LEGAL marriage. This is a GREAT attempt to save face but it wont work, you misspoke and said things that werent true just move on or man uo and admit it LOL
12.) THAT IS A BOLD FACE LIE! you are no trying to add your statement to save face and change the debate LMAO
this is your quote "People getting married in a church are officially considered married by the state"
no matter what you say its right there in print. You said this and there is not mention of "as long as they follow the rules of the state" HAHAHAH that is something you are trying to add NOW because you know your original statement was WRONG.
If you said that first me educating you on how legal marriage works would have never happened LOL nice try but I quoted you exactly and now you are trying to say you didn't say it. Thats just sad.
13.) this is just a deflection by you because you in FACT did say that quote. it in post 1399 and that wont change so the only one lying is you. You quoted what you said and then you ADDED to it to save face. The problem is everybody can go to post 1399 and see your whole second addition is NOT there LMAO
14.) you wont go back because it proves me right and now you are trying to change your argument LOl nice try
15.) more deflection, let me know when you can argue against the facts a posted and own up to your wrong statement.
Or you can side with that ONE other poster while me and the others stick to reality and facts
16.) LMAO this I dont have to get that through my head because, read this slow. NOBODY EVER ARGUED AGAINST WHAT YOU JUST SAID lol
nice try but I never said this wasnt true in any shape way or form. In fact its what Ive been saying and now you are trying to claim you also agree even though you argued against it.
Thanks you fro finally admitting that the LEGAL steps must be made and thats what makes them separate
17.) nope all my facts I stated stand has you havnt disproved one of them. you have only deflected, back pedaled, lied and changed you story. Shall I list them again?
18.) again YOU trying to change the argument LOL nobody said that religious ceremonies CANT produce legal marriages NOBODY. Ive said since the beginning that the LEGAL steps needed to be made, you even asked me sarcastically in this very post what they were like they didn't exist HAHAHAHAHAH Do you think everything you wrote is just going to disappear?
19.) LMAO again more statements like you that nobody every argued. Im glad you finally agree though.
You are right ALL religion must do the LEGAL streps to be LEGALLY married.
THANKS FOR PLAYING THAT BEEN MY ARGUMENT THE ENTIRE TIME lol
20.) yes I know to bad you argued against that earlier and are trying to change your story.
21.) let me know when you can argue against my facts that I stated, own up to that what you said was wrong and when you wont back pedal, change you story and LIE about what you actually said even though its in post 1399 LMAO
Ill give you credit for trying to confuse everybody in this thread by first saying:
"People getting married in a church are officially considered married by the state"
then saying:
"there are no extra steps needed"
then asking sarcastically:
"what are the legal steps that you speak of? " like they dont exist hahah thats brilliant
then coming back and adding stuff and saying:
"No, there are no extra steps, you get the license, the preacher marries you, he signs it, returns it and "Voila" you are married. No other steps necessary."
WHAT?! did you just squeeeeeze in "get a license" which is a EXTRA(non religious) legal step like no one would notice!!???
Wow that probably would work on stupid people but since your post history is here and Im well aware of what we both said, I even qouted you it failed, big time.
Lmao what a joke. My statements stand and the fact is you made a false one in post 1399
these facts wont change:2wave:
