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SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

Same-sex marriage is wrong because

  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    Votes: 65 78.3%

  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    Votes: 2 2.4%

  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 14 16.9%
  • Total voters
    83
OscarB63 said:
for example....
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That's an example of hypocrisy? That I have a different opinion than you and calling you out when you distort arguments?

I think you need to look up the definition of hypocrisy.

That aside, I disagreed because when mac said "ask for it" he was talking about the law. If you support same sex marriage, then you are asking for a change in the law.

As far as the other case, you came into a thread and took the question of "how is abortion comparable to homosexuality?" and made it into "if you support homosexuality you have to support incest because that is equal rights", that is clear as day distortion.
 
Blackdog said:
No I don't want to discredit you. I do however know we all do this at times. I ignore people at some point as well.

So for you to try and take some kind of high road on this is just wrong.
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I'm not a liar. I'm not taking any kind of high road. He accused me of making an appeal to nature fallacy when he is the one who has made the appeal to nature fallacies. I simply defended myself and asked him to substantiate the claims he made. The fact that he is ignoring me now is just proof that he couldn't back up what he said and the fact that I could post an example of him making a consistent appeal to nature fallacy is proof of his deceit.

He made the initial accusation and he couldn't back it up and so he is now trying to ignore me.
 
mac said:
send me a note when your state lets two boys get married....
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Send me a note when your Jesus comes down and knocks some sense into you with that book you worship.
 
CriticalThought said:
Well please, post a link or two instead of making empty accusations. I would love to see this hypocrisy. It sounds to me like you and Oscar just want to discredit me in order to protect one of your conservative buddies who has been caught telling a few lies.
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seems like a few pages back, you were caught trying to tell BD and myself what we think and feel. when called on it...you ignored it. now you are attacking Mac for ignoring you. That, my friend, is where your hypocrisy lies.

accusing Mac of doing what you, yourself, are guilty of. ;)
 
CriticalThought said:
I'm not a liar. I'm not taking any kind of high road. He accused me of making an appeal to nature fallacy when he is the one who has made the appeal to nature fallacies. I simply defended myself and asked him to substantiate the claims he made. The fact that he is ignoring me now is just proof that he couldn't back up what he said and the fact that I could post an example of him making a consistent appeal to nature fallacy is proof of his deceit.

He made the initial accusation and he couldn't back it up and so he is now trying to ignore me.
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Just like you have done many, MANY times to myself and others.

I don't know if you are a liar or not, but I do know when someone is being a hypocrite.
 
Blackdog said:
Just like you have done many, MANY times to myself and others.

I don't know if you are a liar or not, but I do know when someone is being a hypocrite.
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Either provide a link or I'm going to ignore you until you apologize for lying.

I'm getting tired of these baseless accusations. It's easy enough to prove something on a forum, so provide some evidence or stop making them.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Either provide a link or I'm going to ignore you until you apologize for lying.
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We already showed you in this thread. Considering your actions, if you ignore me I would be pretty content.
 
CriticalThought said:
I'm getting tired of these baseless accusations. It's easy enough to prove something on a forum, so provide some evidence or stop making them.
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Go back a few pages, you have already been called on it.
 
Dear mac,

Please explain how DOMA is not gender discrimination according to the definition of discrimination.

Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice: racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners.

Read more: discrimination: West's Encyclopedia of American Law (Full Article) from Answers.com
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Treatment or consideration [for marrying a woman] based on gender rather than individual merit.
Treatment or consideration [for marrying a man] based on gender rather than individual merit.
 
OscarB63 said:
seems like a few pages back, you were caught trying to tell BD and myself what we think and feel. when called on it...you ignored it. now you are attacking Mac for ignoring you. That, my friend, is where your hypocrisy lies.
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No, you and BD took "ask for it" and made your own assessment of what that meant. I was going by what mac meant.

accusing Mac of doing what you, yourself, are guilty of. ;)
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I'm accusing mac of being a liar. He made accusations against me, which he cannot back up.

Now why don't you and BD just admit that you are guys are trying to protect your little conservative buddy now that he has made an ass of himself by trying to discredit me?
 
Blackdog said:
Go back a few pages, you have already been called on it.
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You are a liar, and I have no need for further discussion with you. Until you back up your accusations that I am a hypocrite with links I will be ignoring you.
 
Blackdog said:
Go back a few pages, you have already been called on it.
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All that you have proven a few pages back is that neither you nor Oscar know the definition of "hypocrite" and that you like to make baseless and false accusations in order to protect mac.
 
CriticalThought said:
No, you and BD took "ask for it" and made your own assessment of what that meant. I was going by what mac meant.



I'm accusing mac of being a liar. He made accusations against me, which he cannot back up.

Now why don't you and BD just admit that you are guys are trying to protect your little conservative buddy now that he has made an ass of himself by trying to discredit me?
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bleat...bleat..bleat...

you accused mac of ignoring you because he had no answer to your question...just as you ignored me and BD when we called you on the "ask for it" issue.

as for trying to discredit you.....you are doing a damn fine job of that all your own ;)
 
CriticalThought said:
All that you have proven a few pages back is that neither you nor Oscar know the definition of "hypocrite" and that you like to make baseless and false accusations in order to protect mac.
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duh...your actions towards BD and myself have nothing whatsoever to do with Mac, stop trying to dodge the issue.
 
SheWolf said:
A toaster can't sign a marriage contract... Gay and lesbians are human beings and have human DNA. Being a pro lifer who puts so much emphasis on human DNA and why that is enough to warrant human equality, you'd think you would support equal rights for all humans.
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no just the ones inside the womb.
 
OscarB63 said:
bleat...bleat..bleat...

you accused mac of ignoring you because he had no answer to your question...just as you ignored me and BD when we called you on the "ask for it" issue.

as for trying to discredit you.....you are doing a damn fine job of that all your own ;)
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Either provide links providing evidence of your accusations against me or I will be ignoring you. So far, all you have demonstrated is that you can distort arguments and you lack a knowledge of the definition of hypocrisy. I don't mind ignoring 3 liars.
 
Blackdog said:
We are talking about polls. None of which are 100%. So no.
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No. Not polls. Studies that can show there is such a lifestyle. A way of living, documented.


I did that and it was still dismissed.

So without a level of intellectual honesty not found in this debate, that will not happen.

PS: Don't care if they are convinced or not.
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Point to where you presented a study. I certainly haven't seen it.
 
CriticalThought said:
Either provide links providing evidence of your accusations against me or I will be ignoring you. So far, all you have demonstrated is that you can distort arguments and you lack a knowledge of the definition of hypocrisy. I don't mind ignoring 3 liars.
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why change horses in midstream. you've ignored everything else to this point ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Point to where you presented a study. I certainly haven't seen it.
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He did post a blurb from a study last night suggesting hormones play a big role in twin fetal development.
 
mac said:
no. they have equal ability to marry within the legal definition of marriage....outside the legal definition...they have the right to marry without legal protections.
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The legal definition of marriage is in and of itself unequal with regards to gender as it allows a man to do something a woman isn't allowed to do, and vice versa. The fact its a legal definition doesn't keep it from being potentially unconstitutional. Indeed, the fact it IS law is what puts it under the perview of the constitution.
 
Moderator's Warning:
There's been plenty of warnings prior to this point, and this is the final one. Get back to the topic rather than having a go at each other. Want to call out another poster or point out their hypocrisy, there's a nice place in the basement perfect for it. Lets get this thread back on track
 
CriticalThought said:
Ah, now you are ignoring me. Good choice for someone who lies.

So tell us mac, since you believe that homosexuality is unnatural, does that play into your moral stance on the issue? Let's hear your honest reply for once.
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I've given you my honest reply on this many times...and you keep trying to twist it to attack me.

In my opinion homosexuality is wrong and it is unnatural. It is not wrong because it is unnatural it is wrong because my religion deems it wrong and I agree with that because there is nothing in science or nature to tell me otherwise. Go ahead and make up some more lies.....
 
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