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SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

Same-sex marriage is wrong because

  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    Votes: 65 78.3%

  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    Votes: 2 2.4%

  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 14 16.9%
  • Total voters
    83
CriticalThought said:
It probably the same supreme power he gets to bypass logic and argue that the "naturalness" of something has anything to do with its morality.
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I think his position is pretty freaking immoral... Not only is he discriminately choosing who is "unworthy," but he kind of lost all his principles in the process. He flips and then says, well there is an exception... and every exception in his principles leads to disallowing one group in society to be equal... and that is immoral. It's blatant discrimination, and he abandons principle to permit it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
LEGAL definition. How marriage has been defined has changed over time. Regardless, excellent qualifier. So you admit that under the current law, gays DO NOT have the same rights as you.
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no. they have equal ability to marry within the legal definition of marriage....outside the legal definition...they have the right to marry without legal protections.
 
SheWolf said:
I'd like to know how Mac gets the authority and superior knowledge and insight to be able to deem weather or not people are "worthy" of equal rights...
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no more authority than you do.
 
SheWolf said:
I think his position is pretty freaking immoral... Not only is he discriminately choosing who is "unworthy," but he kind of lost all his principles in the process. He flips and then says, well there is an exception... and every exception in his principles leads to disallowing one group in society to be equal... and that is immoral. It's blatant discrimination, and he abandons principle to permit it.
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What I find immoral are the lies. He accuses me of the very logical fallacies that he commits. Then when I point out that they are his own, he argues that logic itself is irrelevant. He just hates to admit the simple fact that he bases his entire argument on an emotional appeal to his religious beliefs. He then uses appeals to the majority, tradition, nature, etc. to rationalize to himself his choice to discriminate against others. You don't need to be Freud to recognize the cognitive dissonance.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Irrelevant. You can't do these things, regardless. Your slippery slope logical fallacy has no validity, mac.
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there are plenty of beneficial reasons to open the civil union floodgates...and thats no slippery slope.
 
mac said:
so?

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Mac...most states have bestiality laws build around the argument of consent. Animals can't consent and those who violate them...it's seen as a form of rape.

More to the point...you can't automatically assume that your neighbor's cow might be in love with you, wants to get married, and have Big Macs.
 
mac said:
I'm not. You are ignoring that marriage between a man and woman is the traditionally accepted and legal form of marriage. Gays are asking for that to be changed, straights are not.
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I'm straight, and I am asking for same sex marriage.

In fact, I am legally married and still asking for SSM.
 
CriticalThought said:
It probably the same supreme power he gets to bypass logic and argue that the "naturalness" of something has anything to do with its morality.
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you lie like a persian rug. show a quote where i said nature determined morality.
 
mac said:
you lie like a persian rug. show a quote where i said nature determined morality.
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Persian rugs are beautiful, but I digress.
 
SheWolf said:
I think his position is pretty freaking immoral... Not only is he discriminately choosing who is "unworthy," but he kind of lost all his principles in the process. He flips and then says, well there is an exception... and every exception in his principles leads to disallowing one group in society to be equal... and that is immoral. It's blatant discrimination, and he abandons principle to permit it.
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its not immoral to oppose an immoral act.
 
CriticalThought said:
What I find immoral are the lies. He accuses me of the very logical fallacies that he commits. Then when I point out that they are his own, he argues that logic itself is irrelevant. He just hates to admit the simple fact that he bases his entire argument on an emotional appeal to his religious beliefs. He then uses appeals to the majority, tradition, nature, etc. to rationalize to himself his choice to discriminate against others. You don't need to be Freud to recognize the cognitive dissonance.
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show a quote or stop lieing about me.
 
Removable Mind said:
Mac...most states have bestiality laws build around the argument of consent. Animals can't consent and those who violate them...it's seen as a form of rape.

More to the point...you can't automatically assume that your neighbor's cow might be in love with you, wants to get married, and have Big Macs.
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so? who says consent is necessary?
 
mac said:
its not immoral to oppose an immoral act.
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But SSM isn't about acts. Did you get married so you could get laid without it being a sin?
 
mac said:
so? who says consent is necessary?
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So...one of your many very convoluted arguments...whats to keep people from going from gay marriage to marrying an animal or object. To marry anybody or thing requires "consent" as Ms. Boop pointed out to you.
 
CriticalThought said:
I already did but I don't mind posting it again. Here ya go...
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that doesn't say that its a factor in morality. its a factor in my stance.

edit: why not show the rest of that post? too much honesty for you?
 
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mac said:
no more authority than you do.
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My authority is the Constitution... you're authority is your bigotry*

*I tend to not call people on these boards bigots just because they are against gay marriage, however, you deemed people "unworthy" of rights and abandoned all your principles to do so. Declaring any group of people "unworthy" of rights is dangerous and historically leads to serious abuses and crimes.
 
mac said:
its not immoral to oppose an immoral act.
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When you deem a group of people unworthy, you are not opposing their actions. I know some Christians who support gay marriage and gay couples, they just think some sexual acts are wrong. The bible doesn't ban homosexual feelings or teach that loving somebody of the same sex is wrong or a sin. In fact, some people think many biblical figures loved somebody of the same sex with deep passion, just that the bible didn't detail them having sex.
 
SheWolf said:
My authority is the Constitution... you're authority is your bigotry*

*I tend to not call people on these boards bigots just because they are against gay marriage, however, you deemed people "unworthy" of rights and abandoned all your principles to do so. Declaring any group of people "unworthy" of rights is dangerous and historically leads to serious abuses and crimes.
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i did not.
 
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