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SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

Same-sex marriage is wrong because

  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

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No less valid than your appeal to nature fallacy.

You are the person who argues that homosexuality is unnatural and therefore wrong. I have said many times that whether homosexuality is defined as natural or unnatural has no bearing on whether it is right or wrong. But I'm happy to see you finally figuring out logical fallacies.

Also, an appeal to traditional fallacy is invalid, just as an appeal to nature fallacy would be.
 
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. Also, more straights than gays are asking for same sex marriage.

hardly. there may be many straights that don't oppose same sex marriage, but there aren't droves of them screaming for it either.
 
Within the definition of marriage, they do have the same rights I do.

No, they do not. You can choose to marry the person that you are attracted to. They cannot.
 
I'm not. You are ignoring that marriage between a man and woman is the traditionally accepted and legal form of marriage. Gays are asking for that to be changed, straights are not.

I'm straight, and I'm asking.
 
hardly. there may be many straights that don't oppose same sex marriage, but there aren't droves of them screaming for it either.

Poor reading comprehension.

mac said, "Gays are asking for that to be changed, straights are not."

I replied, "Also, more straights than gays are asking for same sex marriage."

That is a fact. Gays only amount to up to 8% of the population and yet 51% of the population supports same sex marriage. Therefore, more straights than gays support same sex marriage.
 
Poor reading comprehension.

mac said, "Gays are asking for that to be changed, straights are not."

I replied, "Also, more straights than gays are asking for same sex marriage."

That is a fact. Gays only amount to up to 8% of the population and yet 51% of the population supports same sex marriage. Therefore, more straights than gays support same sex marriage.

poor logic comprehension:

supporting =/= asking for it

I support gay marriage and would vote for it, but I am not "asking for it"

same for gays in the military. I support letting them serve, but I am not out asking them to join
 
Poor reading comprehension.

mac said, "Gays are asking for that to be changed, straights are not."

I replied, "Also, more straights than gays are asking for same sex marriage."

That is a fact. Gays only amount to up to 8% of the population and yet 51% of the population supports same sex marriage. Therefore, more straights than gays support same sex marriage.

Supporting it and asking for it are 2 different things.

I support it but in no way am I asking for it.

Is their a survey or something that says one way or the other?
 
What if the world turned on it's ear and Mac, you had the right to marry any man you wanted. That'd be cool, right? Because you could still get married.
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What if aliens landed and stole all our cats?

No...what if's are pointless.

No, hypotheticals are foolish games.

It's not anymore legal than anything else. I call call myself married to my apple tree if I wish, but I ain't getting any tax breaks for it.

Oh? What happened to your two quotes above your last one?
 
poor logic comprehension:

supporting =/= asking for it

I support gay marriage and would vote for it, but I am not "asking for it"

I disagree. If you support it then you do ask for it.
 
Of course I do....no other group is allowed to marry someone of the same gender. Equality is a two way street.

This argument is wrong on some many levels... I think this argument deserves it's own thread, because I could go on and on with it.

Equality is a two way street? Why is equality a two way street? The only time I have ever heard this argument is when equal rights comes up, and somebody thinks that allowing a group, they disdain, to become socially equal... it will, in some way, make them less free in society. For example, if we end segregation and I can't be racist and throw n-ers off outta mah business, then I am less free.

Really, Mac, how is gay marriage a two way street? You won't be giving anything up... You just can't handle fags having the same rights as yourself, and that makes you feel uncomfortable.
 
You are the person who argues that homosexuality is unnatural and therefore wrong.

I didn't say that, I said I think it's wrong for religious reasons...it being unnatural (imo) only factors in in a failure to counter my religion.

I have said many times that whether homosexuality is defined as natural or unnatural has no bearing on whether it is right or wrong. But I'm happy to see you finally figuring out logical fallacies.

I wouldn't say no factor, I would say a factor. Logical fallacies are irrelevant in emotional issue which it obviously is to you, but don't sit back and act smug when you toss out logical fallacies all day long.

Also, an appeal to traditional fallacy is invalid, just as an appeal to nature fallacy would be.

Then why do you do it so often?
 
I disagree. If you support it then you do ask for it.

then you are wrong. you just had two people tell you they support it but aren't asking for it. what makes you think you know more about how we feel than we do ourselves? very arrogant of you
 
I disagree. If you support it then you do ask for it.

Then you completely misunderstand peoples intentions.

Being for something has nothing at all to do with asking for it.
 
Oh? What happened to your two quotes above your last one?

That last one was supposed to say "I could call myself married to my apple tree if I wish, but I ain't getting any tax breaks for it."

That's not hypothetical.
 
What's your beef. Honest to [expletive-deleted], why DO YOU care? Why are you just fine with an entire segment of the populace being denied the right to marry.

But should same sex marriage be legal for two individuals who aren't gay? I saw this on Boston Legal a few years ago where the two lead characters went to court to marry each other, yet neither of them were gay. It made for an interesting debate.
 
I do, I just don't necessarily agree that personal choices or orientations grant rights.

Irrelevant. They are granted rights by virtue of being human.
 
I support gay marriage and would vote for it, but I am not "asking for it"

Why not? It's just one step beyond where you are now. I stand with my sister, her partner, their best friends, and every gay or lesbian on this board who wants to marry their dearly beloved.
 
Why not? It's just one step beyond where you are now. I stand with my sister, her partner, their best friends, and every gay or lesbian on this board who wants to marry their dearly beloved.

maybe, like many other straights, I just don't give enough of a **** to get out and lobby for something that really doesn't affect me.
 
I didn't say that, I said I think it's wrong for religious reasons...it being unnatural (imo) only factors in in a failure to counter my religion.

You are an incredibly dishonest individual. You even created your own definition of "natural" in a thread in order to argue that homosexuality did not meet it and was therefore wrong. I'm just about sick of debating with you since you have no apparent affinity for truth or honesty.

I wouldn't say no factor, I would say a factor. Logical fallacies are irrelevant in emotional issue which it obviously is to you, but don't sit back and act smug when you toss out logical fallacies all day long.

Logical fallacies demonstrate thinking errors. 1+1 will never equal 3, just as appealing to nature or tradition will never be a valid argument.

Then why do you do it so often?

Please quote any instance where I have said homosexuality is right because it occurs in nature. I have argued homosexuality is natural, by most definitions, but I have never argued on this forum that it is right just because it is natural. If you cannot quote me, then I expect an apology and will not acknowledge you any further until I receive one. I am sick of your lying and deceit. You epitomize everything I hate about Christianity.
 
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I do, I just don't necessarily agree that personal choices or orientations grant rights.

BS Mac. You are simply making arguments now because they are convenient for you.

Christianity is a choice, religion is a choice.... yet our Constitution protects religious groups.

If you think personal choices shouldn't reward people rights, then I'd like to hear you argue that the 1st amendment is harmful and why. Oh, but wait, your religious choice is probably influencing you to be advocating inequality in the first place... and there is a lot more evidence to say that homosexuality isn't a choice, albeit not prefect evidence, but religion is definitely not inborn and is a choice.

Now explain why your religious choice shouldn't interfere with anybody's legal rights...

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