View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    what is a Civil Union?
    a marriage by another name, at least when it comes to gays.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How about if a teacher was having sex with students at your kids school....but it wasn't your kid. Would you oppose that? Or, how about kids were having sex in your kids school....but not your kid. How about that?
    I'd oppose the first as I find it morally wrong and it illegal and thus call forthe teachers job. I'd be unhappy with th second one, but there's nothing illegal going on so I'd tell my kid not to engage in that and it's wrong but I'm not going to raise a fit with the school for kids being kids

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How about if a teacher was having sex with students at your kids school....but it wasn't your kid. Would you oppose that? Or, how about kids were having sex in your kids school....but not your kid. How about that?
    Not a real good analogy on two points.

    1) If you don't do anything, the potential harm to your child still exists.
    2) If you have reason to believe that redefining marriage to include gays is actually harming someone as the kid is being harmed in this instance, then you might have a point.

    It's the harm principle, homey.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How about if a teacher was having sex with students at your kids school....but it wasn't your kid. Would you oppose that? Or, how about kids were having sex in your kids school....but not your kid. How about that?
    Of course I oppose pedophilia, but then again, pedophilia cannot be compared gay marriage. Sex between an adult and a child cannot be compared to sex between two consenting adults.
    “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” -Napoleon

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    what is a Civil Union?
    If marriage stays on the books...a separate but equal term.

    Petty sure there's been court cases dealing with the constitutionality of allowing a group to have "separate but equal" things.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    If 99% of people wanted ice cream free on Tuesday's and congress didn't vote for it...what happens?

    Well gesh throw the bums out.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The will of the people can affect what representatives vote for....it does not create law. The only way the will of the people creates law is through direct voting.
    Well, yeah. I guess with your conservative tag I assumed you voted for people you expected to represent you...not govern you.

    If 99% of people wanted ice cream free on Tuesday's and congress didn't vote for it...what happens? Does the will of the people become law or do we still pay for ice cream? It's the latter, because our government is a republic not a direct democracy, and thus does not state that the will of the people is an important state interest. Instead, our government is specifically set up so that the people rarely can directly enforce their will and has an entire government in part dedicated to not allowing the will of the people to violate other peoples rights.
    Well, if it were that big an issue we'd get another Remember November. We either directly vote on these, like most of the states SSM referendums, or we elect people we expect to represent our will in Government. Not getting everything all the time doesn't mean it's not the will of the people making law, however indirectly.

    The very definition of what our government is proves your suggestion wrong. If it was an important state interest we'd be a direct democracy
    We could be, but don't need to be.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    a marriage by another name, at least when it comes to gays.
    Would that be true if civil unions were all that existed?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Again, depends on which gays we're talking about, and whether they're representative of gays as a whole. CT is referring to the gays that do, regardless of whether they be a minority or a majority.
    What was the last "hetero pride" parade or event you've heard of?

    Although that particular post I think was just meant to be a nasty shot at religious folk.
    I don't believe it. Not CT. <read with heavy sarcasm>
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Would that be true if civil unions were all that existed?
    you mean a hypothetical situation in which no marriages existed but only civil unions did? I wouldn't have a problem with that, as long as it's equal.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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