View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    they can be...by the govt. why do they insist on forcing the church to recognize them?
    Simple answer is that they're not. And the gov't for the most part hasn't done so.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Mac...

    The homosexual population in America is about 3 percent the total. Ask yourself, "how much influence would the gay community at large have over the 97 percent?

    They haven't so far. They never will. You know that deep down.

    Inside the 3 percent...how many marriage would be established?

    Most people struggle to keep up with any kind of relationship. People don't care until it becomes a forum.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The right for equal protection under the law is in the constitution
    yes it is, too bad that some people think that protection is limited to gays

    The right to not have a word defined in a way you don't like isn't

    you mean like having marriage defined as being between one man and one woman? yeah that definition really pisses the gays off
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    However "valid" state interest is more in line with the bottom tier of the epc not the middle. Something can be valid while not being important.

    The government routinely acts against the will of the people. Just in recent years you have the Iraq war, push for amnesty, not going single payer, not getting rid of Obamacare, not raising taxes on the rich, and I can go on. Furthermore, our system of government is distinctly set up to NOT focus on the will of the people. If that was an important state interest we'd be a direct democracy. However we are a representative Republic and therefore the will of the people is not directly what's important for then states interest.

    So that nutshell is rather hollow
    Not buying it. Becuase the will of the people may be violated....even routinely...doesn't make it not a valid interest. Prohibition comes to mind. Anything can be enacted, whether or not it survives depends on the will of the people.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Those two statements are interesting. So on one hand, whether or not gays get married doesn't have any affect on your life (in other words, no harm), but you're against it because it offends your religious sensibilities. Therefore, because you and other religious people are offended by gay marriage, it should be illegal.

    So should religious fervent dictate public policy?
    Dictate, no. Influence..certainly.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Simple answer is that they're not. And the gov't for the most part hasn't done so.
    really? then why do they insist on "MARRIAGE" instead of a civil union that is equivalent in every legal respect? why is it so important that their unions be called "marriages"???
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Those two statements are interesting. So on one hand, whether or not gays get married doesn't have any affect on your life (in other words, no harm), but you're against it because it offends your religious sensibilities. Therefore, because you and other religious people are offended by gay marriage, it should be illegal.

    So should religious fervent dictate public policy?
    I view it more as a situation like if a family member is choosing to do something you really disapprove of.

    Like let's say your daughter is dropping out of college to be a stripper. You think it's dumb and morally wrong, and youre not going to support her decision with emotional or financial support.....but that doesn't mean if she does it youre going to stop loving her.

    They oppose it on religious grounds and due to their personnel beliefs actively supporting it is a bad thing to do and thus won't do it. They also realize however it has little real affect on their lives, so while they won't actively support it theyre not going to make a big stink about it.

    Similar as well to someone who doesnt drink, doesn't like alcohol, doesn't like bars because a family member died from alcohol poisoning. They're not going to sign a petition to allow their dry neighborhood main street to have a bar erected. But they can always just not go to the bar if it happens, so if it happens they aren't going to care a lot to get up in arms about it. But they're not going to help it come to pass.

    I think it's entirely reasonable even if I disagree with them

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    they can be...by the govt. why do they insist on forcing the church to recognize them?
    Who is pushing for that? Honestly, I've never heard a big movement by gays to force jchurches to recognize their marriage

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    really? then why do they insist on "MARRIAGE" instead of a civil union that is equivalent in every legal respect? why is it so important that their unions be called "marriages"???
    what the hell does this have to do with the church? Again, marriage isn't purely a religious institution. Gays are looking for LEGAL recognition, not religious.

    As for why they want them to be called marriages? Again, equal rights. Gays see the insistence on calling such contracts "civil unions" as a de facto form of discrimination, that somehow their relationships aren't as valid and that they are being given de facto second-class status.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/loc...e_matters.html

    On the flip side, why the insistence that they MUST be called civil unions, and not marriages? It's practically a marriage in all but name only. Why not just call a spade a spade? The insistence on calling gay marriages "civil unions" is nothing more than political correctness on the part of the religious right. Just ****ing call it what it is.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    really? then why do they insist on "MARRIAGE" instead of a civil union that is equivalent in every legal respect? why is it so important that their unions be called "marriages"???
    Because our government, the non-religious entity calls it that, and thus society...even the non religious...generally view the coupling as that. So for social reasons they want it called the same thing as straights.

    If you make straights have to call it civil union under the government as well, thatd be fine. But theres no big push on either side to go that route sadly, and many in the gay marriage movement think convincing straights to change the name AND the definition is going to be more difficult then just changing the name

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