View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Why does there need to be harm? What harm does it do? And if it's just right to contract, then why not civil unions?
    Harm has everything to do with it. Why intervene in a private matter when clearly there are no negative social consequences?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Harm is the halmark. People should be free to do as they like so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others in the process. If no harm is coming to you or others, your rights are not being infringed upon, then it's really none of your business what others do and they should be free to pursue their own happiness. As for Civil Unions, those are fine so long as there is no Marriage License. But so long as the Marriage License exists as a government issued and recognized contract; there is no just argument for forbidding same sex couples from engaging in it.
    Agreed.

    The "harm principle" is an idea that I base a lot of my opinions on.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    All Opinions Are Local - Why the word 'marriage' matters

    If it's a matter of what we choose to call it (civil unions vs. marriage), then it becomes a semantic debate instead of a substantive one. If it looks like a marriage, quacks like a marriage, and walks like a marriage, why the hell not just call it a marriage? If gay civil unions are given the same basic legal rights as marriages, then doesn't it become a marriage in all but name only, substantively speaking? If that's the issue, then we're just arguing over what to call something as opposed to reality and substance, which I think is just stupid.
    It may be, but if it gives everyone what they want, who cares how stupid it is?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why don't anti gay marriage people argue to take the word "marriage" off the State issued contracts for every one?
    I think that is the more legitimate answer personally. All people can get their civil unions, and religious people can go to their Church and get married.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It may be, but if it gives everyone what they want, who cares how stupid it is?
    But who exactly is being harmed, or hurt, or whatever when marriage is expanded to include a new group of people?

    I still don't really see the rights of the majority really being infringed in any substantial manner.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Harm has everything to do with it. Why intervene in a private matter when clearly there are no negative social consequences?
    What harm is being done?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I think that is the more legitimate answer personally. All people can get their civil unions, and religious people can go to their Church and get married.
    I think this is a reasonable position, but as of right now marriage isn't purely a religious institution, it's a civil one. If it was a purely religious institution then each group is free to define it however the hell they want, as long as they don't impose that view on others.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I think that is the more legitimate answer personally. All people can get their civil unions, and religious people can go to their Church and get married.
    The true proper course, the one which won't be followed as government rarely gives back power it usurped, would be to remove the Marriage License all together. The contracts which come with the Marriage License for legal privilege can be broken down and made widely available. If there is no Marriage License, the the Churches are free to define marriage any way they want. But so long as the Marriage License exists, same sex couples should have the full of their right to contract recognized.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Marriage is largely a religious institute. It is also civil, but it has its roots in religion which is why we are having this discussion. If marriage was purely a civil issue, why can't gays marry? What harm would it do society? I can think of many more benefits.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What harm is being done?
    Equal rights are not in place. That IS the harm.

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