View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only to a very limited degree. In my discussions with both legal professors and lawyers, there has to be shown just cause for the discrimination. As I understand it, if there is no just cause, no argument of a just reason for the discrimination, society cannot impose their moral values.
    Limited degree or not, it's there. Accepted norms are acceptable until successfully challenged. We'll see in the next few years if they are.

    And would we want them to? Think for a minute if you're on the other side of such a thing?
    That's not to much of a stretch for me.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    lets cut to the chase.
    I was expecting you to put forth and argument but all I got is basically you saying "This is what I think, I'm not giving any reasons for why I think it, so just accept it"

    I understand levels of scrutiny, and I understand why you and others think banning SSM is gender discrimination, and why that should be denied via the EPC. My point is that the state is able to categorize people for the purpose of applying the EPC and it is recognized that under certain circumstances, equal protection doesn't necessarily apply.
    I'm with you here, because we're both saying the same thing at this point. I acknowledge they can categorize people and under certain circumstances discriminate against them as well.

    The problem is, you seemingly refuse to explain WHY you think in this particular case it meets the levels necessary.

    I don't agree that just because a person is not allowed to do something another person can do that it is discrimination.
    Well, yes you're correct. It becomes discrimination when you're doing it based not off the merit of the individual but due to a grouping they belong to. Such as "You can't marry a woman because you're a woman but Bill can marry a woman because he's a man". The law is preventing one person from doing something because of a grouping (their gender) and allowing another person to do something due to his grouping (his gender).

    I also believe that under the constitution, American society is allowed to impose it's morals on itself except when such imposition directly opposes the constitution.
    And in this case, its a clear example of a person being denied the ability to do something based upon their gender grouping. Which in and of itself is not unconstitutional. I'm just asking you to show me the important state interest that substantially requires gender to be discriminated against.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What? You don't buy the centaur argument? It's clearly true. If you allow same sex marriage, next thing you know you have to allow bestiality. And if you allow bestiality, then some dude will marry a horse and guess what you get when a dude ****s a horse. A centaur. This is all clear and measured science. Duh.

    But in reality, there's little to no data to indicate what would happen. I think the most probable outcome would be nothing. People are free to believe it's immoral till the cows come home. They can stand on the corner and preach it till they are blue in the face. What they cannot do is use government force to stop it; which is what is being done currently. It's the use of government force against the rights and liberties of the individual with no proof of harm demonstrated. It's a bit sad that people feel their righteous indignation has place in law.
    Thanks...my sentiment exactly...

    I'm gonna take you up on the Centaur argument...its the only one that makes sense.

    Now, since there is no defined consequences of gay marriage... We all need to move on.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Thanks...my sentiment exactly...

    I'm gonna take you up on the Centaur argument...its the only one that makes sense.
    Heheh, I came up with that one awhile back as the argument I will use against SSM. Though if you use it a lot in enough places, you'll eventually find the 1 person who will think you're serious. And that's when the real fun begins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And in this case, its a clear example of a person being denied the ability to do something based upon their gender grouping. Which in and of itself is not unconstitutional. I'm just asking you to show me the important state interest that substantially requires gender to be discriminated against.
    Not acting in opposition to the will of the people is a valid state interest. In a nutshell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Not acting in opposition to the will of the people is a valid state interest. In a nutshell.
    The will of the majority is allowed to rule so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of the minority.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The will of the majority is allowed to rule so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of the minority.
    The will of the people is the Constitution of the United States. Of course, the average social conservative takes a crap on that document every chance they get to impose their religious views on the rest of the country.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The will of the majority is allowed to rule so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of the minority.
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The will of the people is the Constitution of the United States. Of course, the average social conservative takes a crap on that document every chance they get to impose their religious views on the rest of the country.
    That doesn't give the minority right to infringe upon the majority.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That doesn't give the minority right to infringe upon the majority.
    What rights are being infringed on the part of the majority?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That doesn't give the minority right to infringe upon the majority.
    How so? If you mean that the minority defending their rights infringes upon the majority; then that is wrong. If it is the minority cannot act in a way which infringes upon the rights of the majority; then fair enough. But that is not the case in SSM. It's the majority's will to infringe upon the rights and liberties of the minority in that case.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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