View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    who said it was?
    I wasn't claiming you were for having both. I was merely making my point clear. It's fine of there's a civil union license so long as there is no marriage license. But you can't have both. one or the other (I'd prefer none)
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I read it and understood it. I guess not everyone has very good reading comprehension.
    Yeah, but I'm beginning to think the dishonesty is intended and it's being used as a deflect in order to not actually address any of the real issues brought forth, but rather to bog down the debate in semantics.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not an act, the act is not what's most important currently since the act can be taken by anyone. The contention is the legal argument over same sex marriage; which is the use of government force to forbid adults from freely entering into a government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract.
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    Well it's good I did not say it was not an act. Someone who actually read what I wrote could understand that.
    Actually you said both, You don't seem to have a train of thought...actually.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I wasn't claiming you were for having both. I was merely making my point clear. It's fine of there's a civil union license so long as there is no marriage license. But you can't have both. one or the other (I'd prefer none)
    why not a civil union license issued by the govt available to everyone and a marriage decree issued by the church?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, but I'm beginning to think the dishonesty is intended and it's being used as a deflect in order to not actually address any of the real issues brought forth, but rather to bog down the debate in semantics.
    Nah, they wouldn't feign ignorance in order to avoid having an actual debate. That would be cowardly.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I read it and understood it. I guess not everyone has very good reading comprehension.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not an act, the act is not what's most important currently since the act can be taken by anyone. The contention is the legal argument over same sex marriage; which is the use of government force to forbid adults from freely entering into a government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract.
    Reading comprehension...he quite literally said "It's not an act" you lose, again.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Actually you said both, You don't seem to have a train of thought...actually.
    No, I should have typed "it's not the act" instead of an. Because in the very same sentence (if you'd PLEASE READ) it says "the act is not what's most important currently since the act can be taken by anyone." Which clearly is saying that the action part of marriage isn't the contended part. It's the legal definition.

    Please have some shred of intellectual honesty and please read the entire sentence. kthnxbye
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Very possible, but it's been there for a very long time.



    Welp, that certainly doesn't help.
    I think it really depends on the culture and the society. As you well know there have been civilizations and societies throughout history that looked upon sexuality and marriage completely differently than our society (which is generally based on a Western Judeo-Christian culture) has.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Reading comprehension...he quite literally said "It's not an act" you lose, again.
    Read the rest of the god damned sentence. There was a common there. For ****'s sake, how damned difficult is it for you to finish a sentence? Pretty damned when you want to take things out of context and harp on typos to try to make an entire argument out of. Jesus tap dancing Christ on a pogo stick.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I should have typed "it's not the act" instead of an. Because in the very same sentence (if you'd PLEASE READ) it says "the act is not what's most important currently since the act can be taken by anyone." Which clearly is saying that the action part of marriage isn't the contended part. It's the legal definition.

    Please have some shred of intellectual honesty and please read the entire sentence. kthnxbye
    Hmm, since you started this of in reply to my opposition to an immoral act statement, and led the sentence with, it's not an act...but then said it's not the act and now say you didn't mean what you said....it would seem that this is all one big confusion over your inability to communicate.

    I'll accept that you just ****ed up.
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