View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Wait, so you're saying most people are fine with the government recognizing gay marriage as long as they don't force the church to condone it?

    or are you saying they don't want it being called marriage because that's a religious act, which in and of itself leads into the discussion of you forbidding someone from having a SECULAR GOVERNMENT term of "marriage" applied to them due to some Private religous groups using the same term?
    I'm saying, what would be wrong with having a govt recognized civil union for everybody and then letting those who wanted, and the church approved, do the religious thing?

    IMHO, it comes down to gays wanting the term "marriage" and the social/religious acceptance that comes with it.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I'm saying, what would be wrong with having a govt recognized civil union for everybody and then letting those who wanted, and the church approved, do the religious thing?

    IMHO, it comes down to gays wanting the term "marriage" and the social/religious acceptance that comes with it.
    That would be fine if the government renamed the Marriage License "Civil Union License". But under no circumstance is it just to make same sex couples obtain a Civil Union license when it still offers the Marriage license as well.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Neither is deemed to be in a position where one of their ages is viewed as a legal adult and the other is viewed as a minor in the case of the 17 and 14 year old. That's not the case with the 35 year old or the 14 year old. That's easy.
    Deemed by whom? Has it always been thus? If they have the parts (naturally) why can't they use them at will with whom ever they choose?

    Minors are not able to enter into binding contracts on their own in regards to the second question. Again, easy.
    Why is 17 a minor and 18 is not?

    In both cases, multiple surpreme court cases have affirmed a state interest to the necessary level in regards to having a "minor" designation and the things that go along with it. I've not seen any significant argument against such a thing. If you'd like to make one I'd be absolutely all ears.
    I agree that a minor needs protection, by how do we define who is a minior and who isn't? What science is that based on?

    The reasons for Prostitutions illegality is multidimensional, and unlike the others there's a decent sized debate in the country over its constitutionality so hard to really say there.

    What's your point?
    My point is there is an awful lot of interpretation in the constitution.

    Sure, as long as it doesn't violate the constitution.
    Whether it does or does not is often up for interpretation.

    Pesky little thing that. I know it sucks you can't just pull it out when talking about them taking your guns and just ignore it at other times.
    I don't care about gun ownership.

    And thus Gender Discrimination under the Law, allowing one gender to do something another gender can't do.
    I disagree with that interpretation.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Once again...

    It's kind of a given that if a person doesn't like having sex with a person who is of the same sex...groovy. We would also have to conclude that same person would avoid marrying a person of the same sex.

    Now the question remains. Foregoing personal preferences one might have. HOW does gay marriage impose any social damage?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the argument still exists. But if someone makes a stupid argument, even if they believe it's important, it's still stupid. It's stupid to say "signing something is an act and I'm against that act" because essentially everything is an "act" at that point. What you're concerned with seems to be the ability of same sex couples to legally access the "marriage" title. The act of marriage is represented in the ceremony and not all forms of marrage go through that act. Hell not all forms of marriage require you sign a marriage license either. Common law marriage doesn't have a marriage license. It's still denied to same sex couples though. But as it stands the Marriage License is a government issued and recognized contract, and the individual has right to contract.
    and it's stupid to say marriage is not an act. Whether it is something else or not doesn't change that.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    HOW does gay marriage impose any social damage?
    It leads to centaurs, which would destroy the whole of our culture. Think of all the useless doorways! We'd have to remake elevators and escalators. Centaurs will be the death of us all!
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    and it's stupid to say marriage is not an act. Whether it is something else or not doesn't change that.

    Driving is an act too,

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That would be fine if the government renamed the Marriage License "Civil Union License". But under no circumstance is it just to make same sex couples obtain a Civil Union license when it still offers the Marriage license as well.
    who said it was?

    Originally Posted by OscarB63
    I'm saying, what would be wrong with having a govt recognized civil union for everybody and then letting those who wanted, and the church approved, do the religious thing?
    Last edited by OscarB63; 05-31-11 at 05:24 PM.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    and it's stupid to say marriage is not an act. Whether it is something else or not doesn't change that.
    Well it's good I did not say it was not an act. Someone who actually read what I wrote could understand that.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well it's good I did not say it was not an act. Someone who actually read what I wrote could understand that.
    I read it and understood it. I guess not everyone has very good reading comprehension.

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