View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Hello BDBoop. That is a very valid statement. You should check out pollvote.info. It's another great forum to express political opinions.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I think you have it backwards. most people (at least those I know) have no disagreement with a LEGAL recognition of a gay couple, they just don't want the church to be forced to condone it via the religious act of marriage
    Wait, so you're saying most people are fine with the government recognizing gay marriage as long as they don't force the church to condone it?

    or are you saying they don't want it being called marriage because that's a religious act, which in and of itself leads into the discussion of you forbidding someone from having a SECULAR GOVERNMENT term of "marriage" applied to them due to some Private religous groups using the same term?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    and I say, "to you maybe"

    When I said "opposing a moral act is not immoral" I meant opposing SSM is not immoral. To be honest....I don't really give a rat's ass about what your point of contention is...I care about mine.
    I care about actual debate, which is not what you present. You can oppose SSM all day long for whatever reason. End of the day the actual action taking place is the use of government force against the rights and liberties of the individual. Some of us want to remove that force, other of you want to excuse that force. And now you're just trying to scrape together arguments on how you can argue for this flavor of government force.

    And it isn't MY point of contention (again with the reading...Jesus our school systems are failing us). It is the contention of the entire SSM argument. Their desire is to obtain the recognition of their right to contract so that they may engage in the the contract called the Marriage License and have their marriage legally recognized by the State.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Let your political voice be heard at pollvote.info

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Wait, so you're saying most people are fine with the government recognizing gay marriage as long as they don't force the church to condone it?
    This is the correct one. But I fear that perhaps the latter was meant.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    What a hoot. I'm gonna make a score card on how many arguments that have been made with slightly different words...but with the same meaning.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    I believe what Ikari is saying is this...

    ANYONE can go out and perform the act of a "marriage". Find the right church or preson to perform the ceremony and you can go forward with the act of "marriage" with anyone you damn well choose.

    However, if you want said marriage to be recognized as legitimate under the government it requires you to sign the marriage contract.

    So he's equating:

    "Act" to the actual marriage ceremony

    Yes, its an "action" to sign something...but that's kind of like saying "I'm performing the act of typing the letter m right now".

    The ACT of marriage, the ceremony, the proclaiming ones self as married, does not require the government in any way shape or form.

    However, to be legally viewed as such it requires the signing of a government contract, and said contract comes with restrictions. One is perfectly able to sign said contract without actually going through the ceremony. One can even consider themselves, in their day to day life and in personal conversations, as not married if they so chose while still being "married" under the law.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Its all about the definition.

    Do you believe marriage should be between a man and woman as it has always been?

    Or should it be expanded to allow for other people?

    Or should those other people have some other type of union?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Good advice....



    It may not be universal....but I vote...a lot.



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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm sorry, I apparently was mistaken that a law being unconstitutional didn't matter because "it is what it is".

    Happy to know we still have slavery, blacks drinking from seperate water fountains, prohibition on alcohol, and women not being able to vote.

    Since apparently, "it is what it is" means things can't change if they're unconstitutional.

    Thanks for the history lesson mac.
    It is what it is means exactly that. We can change what it is, but right now and for the last several thousand years, marriage has been between a man and a woman.

    As was slavery being a common practice in the civilized world. Thankfully we have this strange little thing called the constitution that doesn't care if something's been happening for 1000 years of 1 year.
    Then change it....until then...it is what it is.

    Well, if you'd prefer for the unconstitutional law to be stricken from the books rather than amended to be constitutional I'm fine with that as well.

    The Government not recognizing any union is constitutional. The government recognizing the marriage regardless if its same or opposite sex is constitional. I'm fine with either. However, I'm of the belief that as it stands now there's gender discrimination. I've laid my argument for this out for you before. All you ever say is "its what its always been" which is not a constitutional counter.

    Its really simple Mac.
    Why is it ok for a 17 year old to have sex with a 14 year old but not for a 35 year old to have sex with a 14 year old? Why do two 15 year olds need permission to get married? Why is prostitution largely illegal?

    Does society, even American society have the right to regulate itself and decide what is moral and what is not within it's domain?

    True or false. A man can marry a woman but a woman can't marry a woman?
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