View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yeah, so?

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    It's not an act, the act is not what's most important currently since the act can be taken by anyone. The contention is the legal argument over same sex marriage; which is the use of government force to forbid adults from freely entering into a government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not an act, the act is not what's most important currently since the act can be taken by anyone. The contention is the legal argument over same sex marriage; which is the use of government force to forbid adults from freely entering into a government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract.
    I think what you mean is: it isn't only an act. Still, it's an act. Getting married is an act.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I think what you mean is: it isn't only an act. Still, it's an act. Getting married is an act.
    Please read what I have written and not your assumptions on what I have written. I have been VERY CLEAR on this, any human should be able to read the words and understand. The point of contention with marriage is not the act of being married. Anyone, even homosexuals, can currently go through the act of being married. The contention is the legal recognition of that marriage, which is the contractual aspect of marriage; the Marriage License. Which is a government granted and recognized contract. Contention on the marriage front is not the mere act of being married, but the legal ability to have one's marriage recognized by the State.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Please read what I have written and not your assumptions on what I have written. I have been VERY CLEAR on this, any human should be able to read the words and understand. The point of contention with marriage is not the act of being married. Anyone, even homosexuals, can currently go through the act of being married. The contention is the legal recognition of that marriage, which is the contractual aspect of marriage; the Marriage License. Which is a government granted and recognized contract. Contention on the marriage front is not the mere act of being married, but the legal ability to have one's marriage recognized by the State.
    Uh-huh. How does one enter into the legal contract known as marriage without Getting Married?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Please read what I have written and not your assumptions on what I have written. I have been VERY CLEAR on this, any human should be able to read the words and understand. The point of contention with marriage is not the act of being married. Anyone, even homosexuals, can currently go through the act of being married. The contention is the legal recognition of that marriage, which is the contractual aspect of marriage; the Marriage License. Which is a government granted and recognized contract. Contention on the marriage front is not the mere act of being married, but the legal ability to have one's marriage recognized by the State.
    Yup, I can go into a church and marry the man of my dreams, I am just not allowed the little piece of paper that allows me the state rights that go along with marriage. Nobody has any issue with the religious act of same sex couples getting married. They only disagree with legal recognition of the marriage.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Uh-huh. How does one enter into the legal contract known as marriage without Getting Married?
    Common law marriage or simply going to the court house and filling out the paper work all do not involve an actual ceremony. You can, however, go through the act of marriage without legally being married.

    What was your point then? Cause I think it just backfired.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yup, I can go into a church and marry the man of my dreams, I am just not allowed the little piece of paper that allows me the state rights that go along with marriage. Nobody has any issue with the religious act of same sex couples getting married. They only disagree with legal recognition of the marriage.
    Which is why this entire argument collapses into the use of government force against the People to infringe upon their right to contract. I think maybe some posters here want to confuse that point so it doesn't look so blatent. But they're doing a very bad job at it.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yup, I can go into a church and marry the man of my dreams, I am just not allowed the little piece of paper that allows me the state rights that go along with marriage. Nobody has any issue with the religious act of same sex couples getting married. They only disagree with legal recognition of the marriage.
    I think you have it backwards. most people (at least those I know) have no disagreement with a LEGAL recognition of a gay couple, they just don't want the church to be forced to condone it via the religious act of marriage
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Common law marriage or simply going to the court house and filling out the paper work all do not involve an actual ceremony. You can, however, go through the act of marriage without legally being married.

    What was your point then? Cause I think it just backfired.
    Ok, so two of my friends, Stan and Andy have lived together for 14 years....are they married? In the minimalist sense....signing the document is getting married. It is an act.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, so two of my friends, Stand and Andy have lived together for 14 years....are they married? In the minimalist sense....signing the document is getting married. It is an act.
    Is there even a point to this horribly stupid argument of yours? You can live with someone for a long time and not be married. It seems like every time I disporive your point, you have another dumbass question which does nothing to promote the debate. You can live with someone for a long time, claim you are married, and you are actually married (that's common law marriage). Now of course for all legal definitions, the ones that matter if you're not trying to play word games and are actually willing to debate the topic in an intellectually honest manner, same sex couples cannot be common law married either. To legally be married you have to sign the Marriage License, which is contract.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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