View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If their position is illogical and has no evidence, I will demonstrate that as much as I choose to do. I will also point out behaviors that occur. If you do not like that... too bad.

    What I do not like is you pretending to be all civilized and needing to turn away from the attacking and degrading arguments of the other side, only to present your own demonization.

    Reading you is just like reading a rabid pro-lifer or anti-SSMer. Nothing but absolute claims and insults.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 05-30-11 at 04:25 AM.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Is see. So only one side should be held to pure logic? What does it accomplish to deny this is an emotional issue?
    I have no idea where you are getting this, my statement was that anti-SSM arguments are devoid of logic(atleast everyone I've seen), all they have is emotional arguments, or ones based out of ignorance on the subject.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Same sex marriage or any type of marriage should not be a part of government. There should be no tax rewards for married couples. Marriage is a contract between two people why does the state of nation need to be involved in any of that. Nonsense.
    Government oversees contract law and enforces contract... when a contract is broken, as in divorce, the courts determine property rights and custody of children. Government courts enforce such contracts and rule on broken contracts to maintain order in society. Many philosophers believe that one of the reasons human's need government and why government must exist, is to maintain social order by enforcing contracts between parties and ruling on broken contracts.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What I do not like is you pretending to be all civilized and needing to turn away from the attacking and degrading arguments of the other side, only to present your own demonization.

    Reading you is just like reading a rabid pro-lifer or anti-SSMer. Nothing but absolute claims and insults.
    Well that is your opinion, no matter how incorrect it is. I present information that is accurate and logical. Not everything I say in the SSM debate is absolute; only when substantiated. If you actually read my comments in one of the debates, you'd know that... and you'd know what I am referring to in this discussion. But when the other side presents inaccurate or illogical information, you can bet that I will point it out. You don't like that? OK. I can live with that.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't think so. I can see the other side of the issue just fine. There are two points to it. One is based on belief, which I respect and have no issue discussing. The other is based on lack of logic and lack of evidence which I have a big issue with. I do not like misinformation being spread.
    Well, except, I have not attacked either side.

    If I admit to being conflicted on the issue, how do you see that?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I have no idea where you are getting this, my statement was that anti-SSM arguments are devoid of logic(atleast everyone I've seen), all they have is emotional arguments, or ones based out of ignorance on the subject.
    And you believe you're objective? Seems you're getting angry already.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Well that is your opinion, no matter how incorrect it is. I present information that is accurate and logical. Not everything I say in the SSM debate is absolute; only when substantiated. If you actually read my comments in one of the debates, you'd know that... and you'd know what I am referring to in this discussion. But when the other side presents inaccurate or illogical information, you can bet that I will point it out. You don't like that? OK. I can live with that.
    Look, I got nothing against your "Crusade for Truth and Logic".

    But you, earlier in the thread, pretended to object to attacking and degrading.

    You can prove all your logicalness and the rest of it without claiming that the other side is completely irrational and calling them whining losers.

    I'm all for correcting inaccuracies, but your hypocrisy sucks.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 05-30-11 at 04:43 AM.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, except, I have not attacked either side.

    I can totally see why someone who conflicted on the issue (as I can be) would be wiser to take that better part of valor. Can't you?
    Watch how I debate Goshin on this issue. Or Baron for the most part. Or Jerry. These people debate the issue reasonably, either with logic or with their belief systems used as reasons for their position. I have no issue with discussing the issue with them. But folks who come here and say "homosexuality is unnatural", "homosexuality is a mental illness", "homosexuality is a perversion", "homosexuality is just a choice", or many other illogical things or things that can be proven wrong, I WILL go after them and these issues. Usually what happens when I do, is the cognitive dissonance that is formed by being shown that their position is not logical, causes them to get upset and then THEY start to post aggressively. It is not my fault that I have proven their logic faulty.

    If you are conflicted on the issue, again, I have no issue with that. There are three positions you can have that would make sense to me: 1) Pro: logic and evidence based; 2) Anti: faith based; 3) Elimination of marriage altogether. Whatever your position, I can point out the positives or negatives of each and help you to understand the issue better.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Look, I got nothing against your "Crusade for Truth and Logic".

    But you, earlier in the thread, pretended to object to attacking and degrading.

    You can prove all your logicalness and the rest of it without claiming that the other side is completely irrational and calling them whining losers.
    Point out the post where I said I "object to attacking and degrading".

    And the other side IS illogical. This is not an attack; it's accurate. And when THEY start to attack they do it because they cannot win... at which point they often whine that others are being mean, rather than debating. This is not being degrading; it's what actually happens. I have no issue calling a spade a spade. I've seen this on and off for 5 years, here. It's not some thing I just came up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    I'm pro-gay rights. I do not see the anti position as "faith based". I see it as sociologically based. I think the anti position is wrong, but I see where they are coming from.


    FWIW, I think there should only be civil unions (sanctioned by the state), for everyone. I find this to be BY FAR the most rational position. I think that the argument for SSM is illogical and irrational on most points.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 05-30-11 at 04:50 AM.

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