View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, I guess it would depend on what the legal definition of "sexual intercourse" is.

    What State would you like to know about?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, I guess it would depend on what the legal definition of "sexual intercourse" is.
    I didn't see anything about that in there. And it would be up to a judge. I'm pretty sure that if a couple had oral sex or anal sex, but were trying to get an annulment because they couldn't have vaginal sex, that would probably not go over too well with a judge (assuming that it wasn't a case of fraud where one spouse got a surprise about the sex of the other spouse after they were married).

    Annulment still have to go before a judge who decides whether to annul or not.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, in order to support gay marriage, you have to cast aside all notions on the value and meaning of marriage? I just don't think I can do that (and no I'm not saying my opinion means all that much).
    I think all notions on the value and meaning of marriage belong in the private lives and institutions of individuals. Value and meaning are subjective and change not just from society to society or religion to religion, but also from person to person. This kind of subjectivity belongs in private and not in public. As a result, the government should have no role in determining the value of love and marriage. Individuals alone should have the power of determining the value of their marriage. This is my opinion and I haven't heard any argument that successfully defends the position that this subjectivity should be determined by the government.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    What's with the explosion of interest in gay relationships around here recently?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    so is eating your own **** but I don't think there are laws against that lol.
    So? I was asked for the moral argument. Any moral argument forr against any other issue is meaningless.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think X has a point. When marriage is available to everyone and any two individuals who want to get together purely for the financial benefits, then yes, at that point the value of marriage would become significantly degraded.
    So would it be better to deny people who you think are simply trying to receive benefits, or to remove the benefits altogether from marriage?

    Personally I don't believe marriage should have any sort of benefits, all it is doing is providing an incentive to follow traditions. No wonder the Conservatives are up in arms.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSandeno View Post
    So would it be better to deny people who you think are simply trying to receive benefits, or to remove the benefits altogether from marriage?

    Personally I don't believe marriage should have any sort of benefits, all it is doing is providing an incentive to follow traditions. No wonder the Conservatives are up in arms.
    It doesn't have to be a choice. The financial benefits provided to marriage are outweighed by the financial benefits to society and our government from just being married. There was an analysis done of this, and unless there is some massive unexpected increase in people marrying for benefits when same sex marriage is allowed, it is already balanced.

    In fact, many of the financial benefits of marriage make up for things the government would have to cover anyway. For example, if the government decided that military spouses no longer deserved such reduced medical coverage that is currently got from being a military spouse, there is a good chance that there would be more military spouses on medicaid or being a burden, or that the money to pay for private medical insurance would provide enough of a difference to qualify the couple to receive foodstamps and/or some other government financial assistance anyway.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What is the conflict for you? I've actually always wanted to start a thread in the Abortion Forum like this... since I am really on the fence about abortion. But, you have an opportunity here, to present your conflict and have people, hopefully, give you straight feedback and try to help you expand your positions... either pro or anti. Give it a shot.
    BTW, CC, I don't want you to think I'm blowing off your suggestion. I'll consider spending the time to try to fully articulate my conflicted feelings on this, and maybe make a thread in the religious forum about it. Until then, I have been given several other things to consider from this thread that I hadn't thought about before.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    What's your beef. Honest to [expletive-deleted], why DO YOU care? Why are you just fine with an entire segment of the populace being denied the right to marry.
    So called homosexual "marriage" is laughing about God's law and his commandments!All "priests" who bless it will go to Hell!

    The Bible Speaks Against Homosexuality
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    So? I was asked for the moral argument. Any moral argument forr against any other issue is meaningless.
    My mistake...I hadn't realized you were actually serious when you said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Why is it -morally- wrong?
    Easy. It's icky.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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