View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What if the old widows were cousins...or sisters?
    Which would put it back in the famial relationship argument and go to my second post. They would still need to show why they should have the right to marry and that they are planning on spending their lives together.

    I personally don't have an issue with such an arrangement, but I don't think marriage would be an appropriate term for it since they would already have many of the rights that come with marriage and it is quite possible that they could change their minds if someone else came along, a lot more likely than people in marriages, as it is supposed to be now, where the vast majority are pledging this. A different contract that covered something like this would be more appropriate. Or being able to present this situation could work too.

    As a side note, I have always had the position that all first cousins and further out family relations should be allowed to marry. It's not a bad idea to include genetic counseling in this, like many states that allow it do, but it should be completely legal.

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    They don't have to be identical, or near identical. Just similar.
    They have to be very similar, and both polygamy and incest marriage involve some fundamental differences than same sex marriages. The arguments for and against are going to be different. The courts have to decide based on the individual arguments for particular cases. It is only when those arguments are going to basically be the same, where you find a precedent has been set.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    playing devil's advocate here - what is the rationale for being against incest marriage?

    if i had a sister that was super-hot and I was madly in love with her I'd want to marry her too.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which would put it back in the famial relationship argument and go to my second post. They would still need to show why they should have the right to marry and that they are planning on spending their lives together.
    That would not be difficult to do, specially if they're seniors.

    I personally don't have an issue with such an arrangement, but I don't think marriage would be an appropriate term for it since they would already have many of the rights that come with marriage and it is quite possible that they could change their minds if someone else came along, a lot more likely than people in marriages, as it is supposed to be now, where the vast majority are pledging this.
    That's kinda how I feel about SSM, funny that.

    A different contract that covered something like this would be more appropriate. Or being able to present this situation could work too.
    I agree, civil unions.

    As a side note, I have always had the position that all first cousins and further out family relations should be allowed to marry. It's not a bad idea to include genetic counseling in this, like many states that allow it do, but it should be completely legal.
    Talk about slippery slopes....


    They have to be very similar, and both polygamy and incest marriage involve some fundamental differences than same sex marriages. The arguments for and against are going to be different. The courts have to decide based on the individual arguments for particular cases. It is only when those arguments are going to basically be the same, where you find a precedent has been set.
    No they don't. For example, you are using people of different ethnicities as a precedent for marriage between people of the same gender. That's not identical.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That doesn't matter. Homosexuals are asking for a right that no-one else has, because they are homosexuals.
    Only from a very narrow perspective. Right now, everyone is only given the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. When same sex marriages are legal, everyone will have the right to marry a person of either their own sex or the opposite sex. No sexuality involved unless it is by choice.

    Plus, how do you know that it is just homosexuals that want the right to marry people of the same sex? I would argue that there are probably at least some other people who want this right as well. Personally, I am married, but I can see the benefits to others who might be heterosexual, bisexual, or even asexual wanting to be able to marry a person of the same sex.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Of course I do....no other group is allowed to marry someone of the same gender. Equality is a two way street.
    This is intellectually dishonest and you know it cause others are allowed to marry another consenting human they love and are sexually attracted too. Nice try but nobody objective will buy this dishonesty.

    I mean damn handicaps wanting RAMPS and RAILS nobody else gets ramps and rails and parking spaces damn it! I vote to take this stuff away because equality is a two way street and we should ignore reality, logic and rational. Maybe I should do one of those eye roll icons that you like here
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Only from a very narrow perspective. Right now, everyone is only given the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. When same sex marriages are legal, everyone will have the right to marry a person of either their own sex or the opposite sex. No sexuality involved unless it is by choice.
    Isn't a narrow perspective you're only defense to the "slippery slope"?

    Plus, how do you know that it is just homosexuals that want the right to marry people of the same sex?
    I'm sure there are, being Navy I bet you can come up with a few examples without thinking to hard about it.

    I would argue that there are probably at least some other people who want this right as well. Personally, I am married, but I can see the benefits to others who might be heterosexual, bisexual, or even asexual wanting to be able to marry a person of the same sex.
    I do too, that's the door that's being opened.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    This is intellectually dishonest and you know it cause others are allowed to marry another consenting human they love and are sexually attracted too. Nice try but nobody objective will buy this dishonesty.

    I mean damn handicaps wanting RAMPS and RAILS nobody else gets ramps and rails and parking spaces damn it! I vote to take this stuff away because equality is a two way street and we should ignore reality, logic and rational. Maybe I should do one of those eye roll icons that you like here
    No, you're being dishonest, unless of course you consider homosexuality a handicap.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I already showed some of the possible groups, now, when you're done with your rant...go back and read.
    translation: You again can't respond agains my post so you will deflect. Thanks

    Sorry your examples are meaningless because people get married or divorced NOW to try and defraud the systems read what I wrote and try to respond with logic. And gay marriage isnt going to allow any you to marry your sister because of other laws of genetic risks.

    Thanks for conceding.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Isn't a narrow perspective you're only defense to the "slippery slope"?



    I'm sure there are, being Navy I bet you can come up with a few examples without thinking to hard about it.



    I do too, that's the door that's being opened.
    everyone knows the Navy turns you gay.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    playing devil's advocate here - what is the rationale for being against incest marriage?

    if i had a sister that was super-hot and I was madly in love with her I'd want to marry her too.
    Genetic problems with offspring, and general icky-ness.
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