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SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

Same-sex marriage is wrong because

  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

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No one is stopping them from getting a religious marriage, you have just proved that legal, and religious marriage are separate, thank you :)

Some how it never gets old smacking people around with logic and facts and rational. :)
 
I want to know why (phrasing a bit differently than in the opening post) people think SSM would be such a horrible thing. It won't hurt them. It won't impact on them. It will help a great many people take the "next step" in their walk of life, together.

So. Since it has Nothing To Do With YOU, why can't you just accept that a) gays are born, and b) they should have the same rights we do, inclusive of the right to marry their dearly beloved.
 
I want to know why (phrasing a bit differently than in the opening post) people think SSM would be such a horrible thing. It won't hurt them. It won't impact on them. It will help a great many people take the "next step" in their walk of life, together.

So. Since it has Nothing To Do With YOU, why can't you just accept that a) gays are born, and b) they should have the same rights we do, inclusive of the right to marry their dearly beloved.

I want to know why they think my potential family is less deserving of the legal benefits that come with marriage, and how it helps family, and children.
 
I want to know why (phrasing a bit differently than in the opening post) people think SSM would be such a horrible thing. It won't hurt them. It won't impact on them. It will help a great many people take the "next step" in their walk of life, together.

So. Since it has Nothing To Do With YOU, why can't you just accept that a) gays are born, and b) they should have the same rights we do, inclusive of the right to marry their dearly beloved.

selfishness
hypocrisy
ignorance
bigotry
arrogance

and one or multiple of these if we are talking about this country and equality. Theres probably more but I can't think of any.
 
Sure they are denied....polygamy is illegal in the us.

Reynolds v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The supreme court doesn't have make all religious practices legally protected... The argument is that some religious practices are extreme and do not deserve to be legally protected, such as ritualistic suicide, child abuse or rape, abuse, human sacrifice, etc. The court felt that polygamy fell under that category. Call their ruling right or wrong if you like, but I happen to agree that we don't have a duty to protect all religious groups to do whatever they want.
 
I want to know why they think my potential family is less deserving of the legal benefits that come with marriage, and how it helps family, and children.

So do I.

Lately, I've been entertaining a little thought in my mind of all this ending, and us finding out that the people who took the hardest stance against that which they didn't bother trying to comprehend, had to reincarnate. As that which they despised. Good times.
 
I do. Current marriage laws are not gender discriminatory.

Oh please, if we made a marriage application gender blind... this conversation wouldn't be an issue. Gender is the center of the debate.

If you don't agree, then remove gender from the marriage application. :)
 
Again 100% false, everything you said is false and your new statment is also false.

They are VERY clearly different and distinguishable.
Legal marriage comes with legal rights tied to that contract.
Religious marriage comes with Religious benefits and merits.
Religious marriages has ZERO ties to legal marriage it can totally exist without it.
Legal marriage has ZERO ties to religious marriage its can totally exist without it.

Sorry you are 100% wrong.

Those are the facts sorry you misunderstand this somehow.

Roughly 2.3 million marriages happen each year. If I line up all 2.3 million couples and ask you to pick out those that are religiously married and those that are not, can you do that with 100% accuracy?

Of course you can't. Many of the 2.3 million have a religious and civil connection. Of those that are religious, most are civil....so how do you separate the two? The answer is that you can't.

You also need a lesson on the origin of marriage in our society. Up until King Henry the VIII created the Church of England, marriage was not regulated by the government. It was solely handled by the church. When the church became the government, the line that divided church from state was lost. The first act of Henry the VIII as the head of state and church was to change the church's interpretation (and thus the state's) to allow for divorce under Henry's idea of a good reason. Since then, our society has been forced to accept the bastardized version of marriage as it was under Henry the VIII. To say that religious marriage and civil marriage are not entangled and indistinguishable is to admit that you don't know the recent history of marriage.
 
For instance:

After 60 Years, a Deep Desire to Make It 'Legal' - NYTimes.com

Can you even imagine? Sixty years together! But they can't get married.

Richard Adrian Dorr first sang for John Mace at the Juilliard School of Music in 1948: a rendition of the show tune “All the Things You Are,” in which the singer elegantly explains all the wonderful things his lover is to him.

Mr. Mace knew the song intimately and he accompanied Mr. Dorr on piano, with no sheet music.

The song ends with the hope that, “someday I’ll know this moment divine, when all the things you are, are mine.”

For Mr. Mace, who is 91, and Mr. Dorr, 83, that moment divine would come with a marriage in New York City where the couple has lived together for more than 60 years.

“Our friends have told us, ‘You two guys should get married in Massachusetts or Connecticut,’ but we’ve always been New Yorkers, and after 61 years of togetherness, we feel we have a right to be married in New York,” Mr. Mace said recently inside the sprawling apartment on West End Avenue and 96th Street in Manhattan where the couple, both of whom are voice teachers, live and work.

They have taught the likes of Bette Midler, Vanessa Redgrave, Natasha Richardson, Kim Basinger and Marsha Mason.
 
I want to know why (phrasing a bit differently than in the opening post) people think SSM would be such a horrible thing. It won't hurt them. It won't impact on them. It will help a great many people take the "next step" in their walk of life, together.

Legally I have no problem with it anymore, none at all. My problem is I feel I am saying it is OK, and I don't think it is. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying gays are anything less than anyone else. I would no more want to contribute to someone's sin of homosexuality than I would someone wanting to commit adultery. They are to me both morally wrong.

So in a way it does affect me even if not directly from a secular point of view.

So. Since it has Nothing To Do With YOU, why can't you just accept that a) gays are born, and b) they should have the same rights we do, inclusive of the right to marry their dearly beloved.

Again no evidence shows gays are born. The evidence suggest it is multiple factors from again external and internal factors.

As for the second part, see above.
 
Oh please, if we made a marriage application gender blind... this conversation wouldn't be an issue. Gender is the center of the debate.

If you don't agree, then remove gender from the marriage application. :)

I love that idea!!
 
Legally I have no problem with it anymore, none at all. My problem is I feel I am saying it is OK, and I don't think it is. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying gays are anything less than anyone else. I would no more want to contribute to someone's sin of homosexuality than I would someone wanting to commit adultery. They are to me both morally wrong.

So in a way it does affect me even if not directly from a secular point of view.



Again no evidence shows gays are born. The evidence suggest it is multiple factors from again external and internal factors.

As for the second part, see above.

I think K. D. Lang and Liberace show that gays are born.
 
selfishness
hypocrisy
ignorance
bigotry
arrogance

and one or multiple of these if we are talking about this country and equality. Theres probably more but I can't think of any.

Some of those and none of those.

Keep painting with that HUGE brush. :roll:
 
That's okay. She wasn't talking to you.

LOL....you just can't resist the personal attacks can you? Too bad you can easily be proven wrong by looking at the two posts to see we quoted each other in a one on one volley.
 
I think K. D. Lang and Liberace show that gays are born.

I think that is not scientific proof of anything. I can introduce you to gay men and women who were not born that way.

As soon as you can show me something like a gene for sexuality I will believe you.

PS: No evidence at all exists that sexuality gay or straight is physical, none.

PSS: In the case of transsexuals (people who think they are the opposite sex) evidence does exist that it may have a link to the Brain structure being male or female. This is not apparent in gay men and women.
 
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I just started a thread a bit ago, which nine people have read, but nobody's responded to. So what the hey, here ya go.

Baptist Reacts to Don Lemon's 'Born Gay' Remarks, Christian News

I was born gay just as I was born black," the CNN anchor said this week on "The Joy Behar Show."

One Christian agrees with Lemon that same-sex attraction is not a choice. Tim Wilkins, a Southern Baptist, struggled with homosexual feelings for years.

He admits, "I did not choose to be attracted to the same sex."

Oh? What's that you say, Mr. Baptist Minister? You are attracted to men, and you did not choose to do so?

Wow. Who knew.
 
LOL....you just can't resist the personal attacks can you? Too bad you can easily be proven wrong by looking at the two posts to see we quoted each other in a one on one volley.

"She wasn't talking to you" is a personal attack? Color me surprised.
 
Some of those and none of those.

Keep painting with that HUGE brush. :roll:

You have no room to talk after stating that most gay men are hedonistic.
 
Roughly 2.3 million marriages happen each year. If I line up all 2.3 million couples and ask you to pick out those that are religiously married and those that are not, can you do that with 100% accuracy?

Of course you can't. Many of the 2.3 million have a religious and civil connection. Of those that are religious, most are civil....so how do you separate the two? The answer is that you can't.

You also need a lesson on the origin of marriage in our society. Up until King Henry the VIII created the Church of England, marriage was not regulated by the government. It was solely handled by the church. When the church became the government, the line that divided church from state was lost. The first act of Henry the VIII as the head of state and church was to change the church's interpretation (and thus the state's) to allow for divorce under Henry's idea of a good reason. Since then, our society has been forced to accept the bastardized version of marriage as it was under Henry the VIII. To say that religious marriage and civil marriage are not entangled and indistinguishable is to admit that you don't know the recent history of marriage.

LMAO
You realize what you said supports me and not you, you just admitted that people have BOTH. If they are the same or entangled or indistinguishable why get BOTH???? Oh I know way because the fact remains THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

Maybe now you will realize that fact.
To think differently is to admit you have no understanding of law and reality.

I actually can't believe you even try to argue against the fact they are two different separate things, this is common sense and a plain simple fact. Its not rocket science, my brother is married with NO religion, that right there is the end all of you argument.

Sorry this fact bothers you but its not going to change because you don't like it.:shrug:

They have no impact on each other that's why people choose to get BOTH because they do DIFFERENT things.
 
I think K. D. Lang and Liberace show that gays are born.

I know it sounds like a joke, but I honestly have met small kids that act gay... One was my friend's cousin, and he grew up to be gay, very feminine. He painted his first car with glitter nail polish top coat. He acted gay even when he was a little kid. I remember him playing with a kitchen set, babies, and pretend talking on the phone. He never wanted to play with boy toys, and he had older brothers... He always wanted girl toys for some reason, and he loved to cradle little dolls like babies and he would get excited whenever he saw a real baby. It was sweet.
 
I think that is not scientific proof of anything. I can introduce you to gay men and women who were not born that way.

As soon as you can show me something like a gene for sexuality I will believe you.

PS: No evidence at all exists that sexuality gay or straight is physical, none.

And this being the case, why should how one became heterosexual, or homosexual have any place in this debate?
 
I think that is not scientific proof of anything. I can introduce you to gay men and women who were not born that way.

As soon as you can show me something like a gene for sexuality I will believe you.

PS: No evidence at all exists that sexuality gay or straight is physical, none.

PSS: In the case of transsexuals (people who think they are the opposite sex) evidence does exist that it may have a link to the Brain structure being male or female. This is not apparent in gay men and women.

Why does seeing that gene really matter... would it change anything about your views at all?
 
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