View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    She only supports FMA if the courts overturn the states.

    IOW she wants to go in and meddle with State laws and Constitutions.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    IOW she wants to go in and meddle with State laws and Constitutions.
    On a side note she is a nutcase, just saying
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post

    So you don't think we could replace marriage on a government level with a family contract system? It would require smaller government. But aside from that, I don't see how you are going to redefine marriage without losing any plausible definition.

    While we are at it, why adults? Once again you are showing that you have a definition in mind.
    Replacing marriage with a bunch of different family contracts would involve a lot more government involvement, hence, larger government. The government would still be involved, since it is the government that ensures rights of family are enforced/given. The largest benefits for marriage come from government because of the way the government works, i.e. taxes and SS and how they relate to two people owning money jointly when it is earned by either or both.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Let me finish for now with this observation. If I had to guess, I would probably guess that the pro-gay marriage debaters on this site supported Barack Obama in 2008. If that is true, that would be interesting since Obama said he believes marriage is between one man and one woman and that he would support civil unions but not gay marriage. Contrast that with those ultra conservatives like Michelle Bachmann and Herman Cain who said the states should decide and Ron Paul who believes marriage should be between a couple and their church without any government involvement.
    No I didn't support Barack Obama nor do I really want him as President again, but I also do not want either Michelle Bachman or Herman Cain, since both support having a national Anti-SSM Amendment.

    Michele Bachmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Bachmann supports both a federal and state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage and any legal equivalents.
    Herman Cain - Gay Marriage
    Herman Cain believes that marriage is defined as between one man and one woman. He states that the courts have let down the American people, and that he would support a constitutional amendment to define marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Unnatural, UnChristian, bad example for kids, subversive toward the Judeo-Christian values upon which Western society is built. No thanks.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Unnatural, UnChristian, bad example for kids, subversive toward the Judeo-Christian values upon which Western society is built. No thanks.
    You and Alfons would make a great couple. Anyways, what I think is more perverse is people continue to have these talking point discussions simply because they are shallow and have easier answers. I see people get more heated up on this and stuff like abortion and keeping mexicans out, and Shria Law than I do anything, and these topics in the scheme of everything do not matter a sliver compared to the economy, how our government is ran, and our foreign affairs.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    1.)Unnatural, 2.)UnChristian, 3.)bad example for kids, 4.)subversive toward the Judeo-Christian values upon which Western society is built. No thanks.
    1.) false
    2.) only your opinion
    3.) false
    4.) false
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Centirst77 is describing my position almost exactly. He has thought about it more than I have. However, I’d like to describe a process that is not often used. Most of the time people do what some call a bottom up analysis of a condition that should be improved. Seldom is a top down analysis done.

    From the top: When it comes to marriage little is described in our constitution. The constitution mostly describes the rules between an individual and the government focusing on individual freedoms. Since its not described in detail, but freedom of religion is, and other marriage ‘rules’ set by religion were to some level understood not to be uniform and one was not chosen to be the correct one, we have a top down view to consider. If we started from the beginning, like we were writing the constitution for the first time, but with the additional knowledge we have today, how would we handle marriage?

    There are rational pragmatic reasons to support a family unit in a constitution, but are they important enough to step into what is a very difficult area? Are there reasons to have some tax advantages for a family unit? Should there be some reasons to limit the size of a family unit if there are going to be advantages to be in one? To document it there needs to be a government recognized contract or there is no point to this discussion. ‘Churches’ could develop their own contracts that could be legally recognized, and the government would have to decide if ‘churches’ could require that certain married individuals could be required to legally give up their some or more of their rights when married by a church. So, if you think about marriage in a country that has freedom of (and therefore, from) religion how would you define marriage from scratch? Why?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    I would say gay marriage is wrong simply because it is started as an unproductive union. There is no reason for gay to marry and can handle any legal matters under current law with a simple power of attorney. The purpose of most company health plans was children. Since I am totally against gays being able to adopt there is no justification for a company to be forced to cover a same sex partner under a marriage contract. That coverage should be up to the individual company to decide.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by caucasiannation View Post
    I would say gay marriage is wrong simply because it is started as an unproductive union.
    Oh, I see. Then, in order to be married the man and the woman should need to prove to the state that they can be and intend to be productive. Simple tests would do wouldn’t they? Or marriage is not done until a couple proves they were productive, simple DNA tests would do, right?

    Or, if you think about marriage in a country that has freedom of (and therefore, from) religion how would you define marriage from scratch? Why?

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