View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    One of the problems, but not the only problem.
    Alright then, my problem with DOMA. I'm cool with the rest of it.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I'm comfortable taking the matter to the ballot box. Are you?

    Amending the Constitution doesn't exactly work that way.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I object to any characterization of an anti-SSM stance as "bigotry." I didn't feel personally insulted, but then isn't the implication in your original statement of wanting to defeat bigotry aimed at those who oppose SSM? As if hatred of gays is the only possible motivation? It's unfair and inaccurate.

    And it isn't my personal marriage that I consider devalued by SSM. It's the institution of marriage, and thereby family - and I mean blood family across generations - that is devalued.

    And forgive me, but I just don't - after all this time reading all these pro- SSM posts on DP - understand why gays suddenly feel they cannot be happy unless they are married. Where did this come from?

    If I were a homosexual man, I would understand that my lifestyle will not be traditional. And if I were lucky enough to find another man who cared for me, and who I wanted to spend my life with, how would a state-recognized marriage make our lives together any better? What would we lack, aside from some weird facade of "equality" with our opposite sex friends?
    Well I will be honest right back with you if you are saying if there was a vote tomorrow to allow gays equal rights and you would vote "no" then I have to tell you that you would be one or more of the following:

    Unreasonable
    illogical
    discriminator
    bias
    pompous
    selfish
    arrogant
    hypercritical
    Homophobic
    bigot
    anti-american

    pick one or more because I have yet heard any arguments that would make you fall out side of these terms? But please feel free to do so if you feel its unfair and inaccurate Id LOVE to hear why.

    No mind you my question is about you choosing to STOP gay marriage, not continuing to believe, think, preach, teach, feel its wrong or gross or what ever. Im talking about you has an american actively stopping it.

    ANyway the "institution" of marriage wouldn't be in danger either, the institution is still what YOU make it, not anybody else. Again I feel thats a cop out. I have many values in my head and opinions on things and what others do will never effect them.

    People cheat, swing, abuse eachother etc etc did that change the "institution" for you? no of course not.
    I can get married tomorrow by elvis does that change it for you? nope

    also where do you come up with this "suddenly" like they havent wanted it for YEARS and YEARS but were to afraid to talk about it or didnt think it was possible etc.
    When blacks wanted equal rights do you think it just magically started one day? or years and years but when it seemed more likely there was more talk about it? LOL come one you're being dishonest.

    also your opinion of what is traditional is meaningless in your example, marrying the person you love is "traditional" so? your traditions are your and having not impact on mine and vice versa

    What they lose out on is EQUALITY compared to other married couples. Security, protection etc etc

    Main point is its none of your business just like your marriage is none of mine, in america its a pretty simple concept if your objective.

    equal rights for gays will come to pass sooner or later and in reality your life wont change nor will you values or your view of any institutions.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Amending the Constitution doesn't exactly work that way.
    I'm pretty sure many states would put it on a public ballot.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    A constitutional amendment is simply not going to happen. The requirements are too high to ever get it done. Getting 2/3 of the senate for something like this is simply impossible. When DOMA is overturned, FMA is not going to be a realistic option. What will be tried is another DOMA with narrower language, but even that is unlikely to pass unless the senate goes much more conservative, and of course a republican sits in the WH. Further, such a DOMA would be unlikely to survive court challenges if it actually had any provision about not recognizing SSM from other states, and without that language, what is it's point.

    About the best anti-SSM forces can hope for is a compromise on a civil union the same as marriage arrangement, and even that is unlikely.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I'm pretty sure many states would put it on a public ballot.
    To get to the states requires 2/3 of both houses to pass it on. Not going to happen.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I'm pretty sure many states would put it on a public ballot.

    Enough to get 3/4s of the State legislatures to ratify it?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Enough to get 3/4s of the State legislatures to ratify it?
    The ERA failed, and it had more backing than FMA.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Well I will be honest right back with you if you are saying if there was a vote tomorrow to allow gays equal rights and you would vote "no" then I have to tell you that you would be one or more of the following:

    Unreasonable
    illogical
    discriminator
    bias
    pompous
    selfish
    arrogant
    hypercritical
    Homophobic
    bigot
    anti-american

    pick one or more because I have yet heard any arguments that would make you fall out side of these terms? But please feel free to do so if you feel its unfair and inaccurate Id LOVE to hear why.

    No mind you my question is about you choosing to STOP gay marriage, not continuing to believe, think, preach, teach, feel its wrong or gross or what ever. Im talking about you has an american actively stopping it.

    ANyway the "institution" of marriage wouldn't be in danger either, the institution is still what YOU make it, not anybody else. Again I feel thats a cop out. I have many values in my head and opinions on things and what others do will never effect them.

    People cheat, swing, abuse eachother etc etc did that change the "institution" for you? no of course not.
    I can get married tomorrow by elvis does that change it for you? nope

    also where do you come up with this "suddenly" like they havent wanted it for YEARS and YEARS but were to afraid to talk about it or didnt think it was possible etc.
    When blacks wanted equal rights do you think it just magically started one day? or years and years but when it seemed more likely there was more talk about it? LOL come one you're being dishonest.

    also your opinion of what is traditional is meaningless in your example, marrying the person you love is "traditional" so? your traditions are your and having not impact on mine and vice versa

    What they lose out on is EQUALITY compared to other married couples. Security, protection etc etc

    Main point is its none of your business just like your marriage is none of mine, in america its a pretty simple concept if your objective.

    equal rights for gays will come to pass sooner or later and in reality your life wont change nor will you values or your view of any institutions.
    Call me whatever, dude. I really don't care.

    It is interesting that you rebut my valuing of the institution of marriage with examples of how it has already been cheapened. Do you regret that your examples make a mockery of marriage? Will SSM make the institution stronger? Or make it even more meanlingless?

    I'm up too late. I'll check in tomorrow.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Enough to get 3/4s of the State legislatures to ratify it?
    Let's get it out of the House and find out.

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