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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
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    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    How the courts will see DOMA? Or the question of SSM in general? For the scrutiny SSMers are claiming right to, it does have to be on the level of race. For DOMA, we're getting back to full faith and credi, which is the basis on which I would attack DOMA constitutionally. That BO and Holder haven't pleasantly surprises me.

    The poster I replied to mentioned Loving in response to my claim that an amendment will be called for by cons if DOMA is overturned. I know SSMers like to point to it, but I just don't think they'll win the public or legal debate in equating homosexuality to race.

    Appeals to equality, and logical contortions all day long, won't get them to the same footing as keeping two people of different races from marrying.
    For strict scrutiny, yes it has to be on the same level as race. 50/50 it is ruled to be strict scrutiny. I suspect it will be the next level lower, which will still get it overturned.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    I disagree. Just because marriage became a civil issue, that fact alone did not and cannot severe that relationship. People who marry at a court house will swear to God their vows. God is mentioned so it is by nature religious.
    You can disagree all you want but it doesnt change the fact they are seperate. Nor did I imply the relationship is "severed".
    But the fact remains religious marriage has absolutley nothing to do with legal marriage unless the people getting married want it to and vice versa.

    ALso god absolutley does not have to be mentioned and is not unless people want it to be LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    This is an issue that people will never agree on-like abortion, for instance. I'm only saying that government involvement, like most government involvement, is unnecessary.
    so you are CHANGING your argument from easier to unnecessary? ok

    and that vast majority disagree with you, government got involved for your protection, thier intrests and your well being.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    How the courts will see DOMA? Or the question of SSM in general? For the scrutiny SSMers are claiming right to, it does have to be on the level of race. For DOMA, we're getting back to full faith and credit, which is the basis on which I would attack DOMA constitutionally. That BO and Holder haven't pleasantly surprises me.

    The poster I replied to mentioned Loving in response to my claim that an amendment will be called for by cons if DOMA is overturned. I know SSMers like to point to it, but I just don't think they'll win the public or legal debate in equating homosexuality to race.

    Appeals to equality, and logical contortions all day long, won't get them to the same footing as keeping two people of different races from marrying
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    well since the country is split on this issue, which is WAY better than how country felt about interracial marriage, the killing of DADT because of freedoms and gays are already a protected class, logically I have to totally disagree. The legal debate seems easy and already established, the public one doesnt matter.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For strict scrutiny, yes it has to be on the same level as race. 50/50 it is ruled to be strict scrutiny. I suspect it will be the next level lower, which will still get it overturned.
    DOMA? Gayality has nothing to do with it.

    Saying one state can ignore another state's recognition of marriage is the constitutional problem.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    well since the country is split on this issue, which is WAY better than how country felt about interracial marriage, the killing of DADT because of freedoms and gays are already a protected class, logically I have to totally disagree. The legal debate seems easy and already established, the public one doesnt matter.
    DADT is a military thing. SSM is very civil. When we get to the amendment phase, the public debate might grab your attention.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    DADT is a military thing. SSM is very civil. When we get to the amendment phase, the public debate might grab your attention.
    Wont grab my attention at all because theres no logic reason to be against it in america with the freedoms we already have and its up to the courts not the public.

    I stand by my post "since the country is split on this issue, which is WAY better than how country felt about interracial marriage, the killing of DADT because of freedoms, and that gays are already a protected class, logically I have to totally disagree with your statment. The legal debate seems easy and already established, the public one doesnt matter.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    DADT is a military thing. SSM is very civil. When we get to the amendment phase, the public debate might grab your attention.

    The FMA never got off the ground in the first place.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Centrist, We may be talking past each other.

    I'm saying that if DOMA falls, as it should really, and SSM becomes an issue between the states, an amendment to the constitution will be demanded by trads. That would take it out of the hands of the courts.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The FMA never got off the ground in the first place.
    So far it hasn't had to take flight. See DOMA.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    So far it hasn't had to take flight. See DOMA.

    people tried to give it wings and it failed:

    The most recent Congressional vote to take place on the proposed Amendment occurred in the United States House of Representatives on July 18, 2006 when the Amendment failed 236 yea to 187 nay votes, falling short of the 290 yea votes required for passage in that body. The Senate has only voted on cloture motions with regard to the proposed Amendment, the last of which was on June 7, 2006 when the motion failed 49 yea to 48 nay votes, falling short of the 60 yea votes required to proceed to consideration of the Amendment and the 67 votes which would be required to pass the amendment.
    Federal Marriage Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And now with attitudes changing about gay marriage I doubt it will go any where.

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