View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not only are gays not asking for churches to be forced to perform the ceremony, they constitutionally cannot. They are asking for the state sponsored marriage include them. Strictly secular.
    If churches could legally be forced to perform same sex marriages, do you believe they should be? I ask only out of pure curiosity and I'd like to see other SSM proponents answer this.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If churches could legally be forced to perform same sex marriages, do you believe they should be? I ask only out of pure curiosity and I'd like to see other SSM proponents answer this.
    Absolutely not. The church ceremony is completely separate from the legal rights and responsibilities that go with marriage.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If churches could legally be forced to perform same sex marriages, do you believe they should be? I ask only out of pure curiosity and I'd like to see other SSM proponents answer this.
    Well of course I cant speak for everyone but everyone I know in real life and all the pro equal rights people Ive encountered here I haven't seen one person who wants the churches forced to marry anybody.

    I know I certainly would NEVER want that, churches turn away straight couples right now and the constitution gives them that right, its not going anywhere.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    There are plenty of gays and lesbians (not to mention GLBT-friendlies) who could officiate at a church or outdoor wedding without any churches needing to be forced into service.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Absolutely not. The church ceremony is completely separate from the legal rights and responsibilities that go with marriage.
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    Well of course I cant speak for everyone but everyone I know in real life and all the pro equal rights people Ive encountered here I haven't seen one person who wants the churches forced to marry anybody.

    I know I certainly would NEVER want that, churches turn away straight couples right now and the constitution gives them that right, its not going anywhere.
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    There are plenty of gays and lesbians (not to mention GLBT-friendlies) who could officiate at a church or outdoor wedding without any churches needing to be forced into service.
    So you all don't see a potential argument in forcing certain denominations to perform SSM if it were legal? Afterall, the arguments that it's discrimanation would still be the same, right? You all don't think there are people who wouldn't sue the Catholic church (for example) if it refused to perform SSM?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So you all don't see a potential argument in forcing certain denominations to perform SSM if it were legal? Afterall, the arguments that it's discrimanation would still be the same, right? You all don't think there are people who wouldn't sue the Catholic church (for example) if it refused to perform SSM?
    The problem with your argument is it hasn't happened. Same sex marriage is legal in several states and nobody has sued the Catholic Church for not performing same sex marriages. Same sex marriage has been legalized in several countries and nobody has sued the Catholic Church in any of those countries for not performing same sex marriages. The 1st amendment would make it impossible if anyone even tried to sue on the basis of discrimination. It's a baseless argument.

    What would even be the purpose of making someone perform a religious ceremony?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So you all don't see a potential argument in forcing certain denominations to perform SSM if it were legal? Afterall, the arguments that it's discrimanation would still be the same, right? You all don't think there are people who wouldn't sue the Catholic church (for example) if it refused to perform SSM?
    No church would be forced to perform a same sex ceremony. Hell, no church no is required by law to perform a wedding ceremony I don't think. If some one tried to sue the Catholic church for not performing a SSM ceremony, the suit would get thrown out.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Wow this poll wasnt spammed by insecure homophobes. Thats a first! What hasnt changed though is that nobody has come up with any sound reasons to stop gay marriage in america yet
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So you all don't see a potential argument in forcing certain denominations to perform SSM if it were legal? Afterall, the arguments that it's discrimanation would still be the same, right? You all don't think there are people who wouldn't sue the Catholic church (for example) if it refused to perform SSM?
    Why don't we see this happening now?

    I bet there are churches that refuse to wed people every single day due to the couple's religious beliefs, color, relative race, and tons of other reasons. In fact, churches discriminate everyday on a number of things, including race and sex. They are completely allowed to do so without any fear of lawsuits because of they have freedom of religion, which includes them not having to perform a ceremony that is against their religious beliefs.

    And I guarantee you that the court would laugh at anyone who brought a lawsuit against a church for denying them a marriage and dismiss the case. It would be unlikely to reach the SCOTUS because other courts would probably refuse to hear such cases before the SCOTUS got a chance.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not only are gays not asking for churches to be forced to perform the ceremony, they constitutionally cannot. They are asking for the state sponsored marriage include them. Strictly secular.
    I know they are not asking churches to marry them, that is why I don't see a problem with allowing it, whether it is called a marriage or a civil union.

    Now if they were asking for churches to be forced to marry them, I would be against it, for the reasons I mentioned before.

    They are asking for the ability to be joined together as a "married couple" to be able to have access to the benefits that marriage provides couples. It's a matter of semantics - marriage, civil union, it is basically the same thing, except that marriage is the word used in the Bible, ergo, a religious rite, even if it is no different than a civil union performed other than in a church.



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