View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

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    18? 17?

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    Like I said, pick whichever age makes you feel better. These questions are for you, not anyone else. When you're ready to address my arguments, I'll be around.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

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    So you have no links to back up your claims on incest.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Any argument for SSM which is based on any form of class or Equality© is already off-topic by default.
    Please explain that? How is arguing that Same Sex Marriage should be legal because you feel its unconstitutional based on discrimination laws off-topic when discussing whether or not its wrong to support same sex marriage?

    You simply don't like how easily the Equality© arguments are broken down and falsified.
    You've never once, in any way shape or form, shown the ability to "break down" or "falsify" the equality argument based on Gender discrimination. The best you've been able to do is have a hissy fit for pages over arguing semantics of someone using the words "sex" and "gender" in casual conversation as interchangeable with regards to the LAW rather than the clinical terminology.

    All you've done in this thread is complained about incest and did your typical bitching about marriage in general.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't claim to speak for conservatives.

    But from my experience it generally stems from a misguided notion that marriage is purely a religious/sacred institution, when in reality it is a civil institution.
    Marriage is a religious rite. Civil unions are not. Honestly, marriages in churches should be at the discretion of the church - whether or not they want to marry the couple, whether or not they are of the same sex or not. However, civil unions (if you want to call them marriages), are done by the state and should not be denied any person, as they hold the key to certain civil rights that a couple may want to exercise.

    I don't believe that gays are seeking God's approval on their union, but are just trying to get their civil rights, why I don't think marriage is what they need.



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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Marriage is a religious rite. Civil unions are not. Honestly, marriages in churches should be at the discretion of the church - whether or not they want to marry the couple, whether or not they are of the same sex or not. However, civil unions (if you want to call them marriages), are done by the state and should not be denied any person, as they hold the key to certain civil rights that a couple may want to exercise.

    I don't believe that gays are seeking God's approval on their union, but are just trying to get their civil rights, why I don't think marriage is what they need.
    Not exactly, no. Marriage legally represents a certain thing in the eyes of the law and the local/state/federal government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not exactly, no. Marriage legally represents a certain thing in the eyes of the law and the local/state/federal government.
    Then it should be available for anyone. But, for those of us that consider it a religious rite, and want to marry in the church, the church should be the one to deny it to whomever they please. It would still be available outside the church.



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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Then it should be available for anyone. But, for those of us that consider it a religious rite, and want to marry in the church, the church should be the one to deny it to whomever they please. It would still be available outside the church.
    Not only are gays not asking for churches to be forced to perform the ceremony, they constitutionally cannot. They are asking for the state sponsored marriage include them. Strictly secular.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Marriage is a religious rite. Civil unions are not. Honestly, marriages in churches should be at the discretion of the church - whether or not they want to marry the couple, whether or not they are of the same sex or not. However, civil unions (if you want to call them marriages), are done by the state and should not be denied any person, as they hold the key to certain civil rights that a couple may want to exercise.

    I don't believe that gays are seeking God's approval on their union, but are just trying to get their civil rights, why I don't think marriage is what they need.
    First of all, some gays are getting married now in their churches or under God. What some believe God believes about homosexuality and/or same sex marriage is not necessarily what others believe God believes about homosexuality and/or same sex marriage. I believe that God has zero problems with either homosexuality or same sex marriages. I also don't believe God cares at all about a lot of things that could easily be viewed as trivial issues pertaining to sex from a higher power that probably has a lot bigger concerns.

    Second, I'm not sure how many people get married by the JotP, but I bet it is small, especially since there are so many other alternatives, some of which do not have to involve religion at all but still may involve some sort of ceremony. My husband and I would be included in there, since we were wed by a woman who got ordained over the internet to make extra money and didn't care what religion we were or what kind of ceremony we wanted. We made sure to leave out all mention of any higher power, despite both of us believing in one, because neither of us feel that God really cares that much about our ceremony.

    The fact is that the state uses the word marriage for a civil contract that describes certain relationships and what they mean in law. No matter how much some religions or religious people want to own the word marriage, they don't. And that is how it should be. We have lots of words in the English language that mean more than one thing or that are used differently depending on the group using the word. It would be a complete waste of money to change all marriages to civil unions just to avoid offending some religions, who do not actually own the particular word to begin with.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You've a right to PRACTICE your religion under the law, but the law isn't required to endorse your religion. For it to be discrimination based on religion, the law would need to be allowing those attempting to be polygamous for reasons other than religion to be married and thus the reason that religious polygamous people can't be recognized is due to their religion.

    However, that is not the case, they are not being discriminated against due to their religion because they can't do it regardless if their religion allows it, doesn't allow it, they aren't religious, etc.

    You could say they're doing something other religions can do, which is have their version of marriage recognized by the government. However, that's more of a circumstantial issue than a direct one, since the government doens't directly say "christian marriages" or "jewish marriages" are allowed.

    Take for example some orthodox Jews who won't use electricity on the sabbath. The government isn't discriminating against them by continuing to use electricity during the Sabbath, even though by doing so it tacitly may be doing something some religions thinks are okay but the jewish religion may not. However, if it were to forcefully stop orthodox jews from being able to do it in their private setting, then you have an issue of religious problems.

    Religious discrimination would be something more along the lines of "Anyone can be married in the United States and have it recognized by the government except for Mormons". In this case, the law is specifically disallowing a group of people due to their religion and making the law unequal towards them...that is religious discrimination. Such isn't the caes with regards to polygamy.

    As such, it doesn't fall under any of the middle or upper tier categories, making it at best a lower teir and not even a a "second-order rational test" lower teir entity like some things are.
    Just because a law does not say, or even is not aimed at being discriminatory toward a named religion (or whatever), doesn't mean that it cannot be challenged if it's effects are discriminatory.

    What is disparate impact? definition and meaning

    I guarantee a ban on circumcision would be challenged as violative of the first amendment, even if the reasoning behind the ban has nothing to do with religion.
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