View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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Thread: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    From wiki:
    Haven't started your own thread, I see.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Haven't started your own thread, I see.
    I have. Nobody's cared enough to respond.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...-marriage.html
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I have. Nobody's cared enough to respond.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...-marriage.html
    This thread didn't start off with a bang, either. But it's really hard to have a proper debate with all the kitchen sinking going on in here.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    This thread didn't start off with a bang, either. But it's really hard to have a proper debate with all the kitchen sinking going on in here.
    To be fair, I think more than a few posters have honestly discussed their objections to SSM and it's given me a better understanding.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But tehy don't have access to the same rights.
    They do, neither sex is allowed to marry within it's gender. It would be discrimination (imo) if men were allowed to marry men but women were not allowed to marry women.

    You agreed that the statement is true that a man can marry a woman, but a woman can't.
    And a man can't marry a man. Equal treatment.

    Why can't she? Because she's a woman? IE, she's prevented from doing something based on her gender.

    Flip this to something else...

    Instead of "opposite sex" we go with "Opposite view regarding the existance of god".

    So everyone is free to marry someone of the "opposite view regarding the existance of god".

    This would mean that athiests could marry religious people, and religious people could marry athiests. However athiests can't marry each other and religious people can't marry each other.

    Would that be constitutional in your mind? Would that be discriminating against ones religion? Or would it be okay because both sides have the same right...IE the ability to marry the opposite of their religious views regarding a god?
    Looking for something that sticks? That is not similar in my opinion, but I'll have to think on it awhile to best articulate why. I'll get back to this question.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Agreed. But that doesn't mean close curtain and change subject.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Obscenity laws aren't based on individuals who may be offended. They are governed by "community standards".
    Agreed. So is marriage.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Instead of "opposite sex" we go with "Opposite view regarding the existance of god".



    Looking for something that sticks? That is not similar in my opinion, but I'll have to think on it awhile to best articulate why. I'll get back to this question.
    Nope. This is exactly the same, even better than "Marry a man, Mac. You're free to do so."

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They do, neither sex is allowed to marry within it's gender. It would be discrimination (imo) if men were allowed to marry men but women were not allowed to marry women.



    And a man can't marry a man. Equal treatment.
    Can a man vote?
    Can a woman vote?

    Both can of course, equal treatment.

    When women could not vote they could not do something a man could do, not equal treatment.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They do, neither sex is allowed to marry within it's gender. .
    Just like neither blacks nor whites was allowed to marry outside their race. What's the difference?

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