View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I don't, I believe homosexuality isn't a sin. So there is no conflict for me.
    OK.

    To be honest, I'm really tired debating this subject, I don't talk about this issue hardly at all in real life, I really wish the law would just hurry up and change so I won't have this need to debate people about this.
    Yeah... I've been doing this debate, consistently, for 5 years. I DO address it in RL at times (helping kids come out to unsupportive parents), but I have been thinking, lately, about retiring from the whole SSM debate. It's really not much of a challenge. Except for a few folks who present something interesting, most of the arguments I could write in my sleep.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Marriage has no place in the government. Expanding the "service" to others would only serve to entrench a flawed system.

    Is that illogical? Irrational?


    Edit: I edited the wrong post and erased a bunch of explanation for the above. Oh well.
    I'll respond to some of your other posts here as well..

    In a nutshell.. Your view is both illogical and irrational..

    I'll give you an example.. White people drink cold clean fresh water served up by the government.. We will say black people drink dirty water from where ever they can get it.. Whites being hetorsexuals and blacks being homosexuals.. I am not calling you a racist so bear with me.. Your solution is to give everyone dirty water.. While you are in a sense giving everyone equal rights, you are taking rights away to do it.. Which isn't logical..

    Marriage is such a basic thing.. Denying marriage to everyone does give eveyone equal rights.. But you are still denying a right that we all should have.. The reason behind the race thing was to use the example of blacks, and how they were once denied rights and viewed as a 2nd class citizen.. Which in many respects is where homosexuals are today.. They are viewed as 2nd class citizens and not worthy of the same rights as everyone else..

    Civil unions?? Equality but under a different name is not equal.. Nobody has a monopoly on marriage.. Nobody can claim it for themselves.. Nobody can demand that a marriage be this or that or not this or not that..

    The logic of this arguement is simple.. Nobody here has a right or the authority to determine what is or isn't a marriage.. The 1st amendment strips the use of religion from this arguement.. There is no religous view here.. From a legal stand point, there is no reason to deny gay couples the right to marry.. Anything less than them being allowed to get married is in the simplest of terms, descrimination and a violation of their rights..

    As for the government being involved?? That has been how it is for thousands of years.. Marriage historically was an act of the government.. It was later adopted by the church.. Marriage is a major part in any society..

    So if you want a logical and rational position?? Start supporting gay marriage and equal rights for all.. Because that is the only true answer..

    Oh and taking away the rights of others to make it equal, simply because you are against something, doesn't count nor is it logical..
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    IF we need some kind of government contract for sharing responsibility, we can go with civil unions. To some extent this is not so different than marriage, but I believe it is in an important way - it drops all the baggage and takes 'marriage' (some read: religion) out of government.

    My solution is to address the source of the problem. Addressing a symptom of the problem by expanding the problem is not reasonable to me. I do not see expanding the source of the problem as a rational solution. Let's just accept that the word 'marriage' might have religious connotations and drop it.

    If someone cannot see the above(s) as a logical and rational objection to SSM, that's their (overly-emotional) problem.
    Hmmm... not sure I completely agree on this. The only "source" you are addressing is removing the conflict of using the word "marriage". Folks are wedded to this word. Problem is, eliminating the word, altogether from government would be as difficult to attain, if not more so, than using marriage to describe all kinds of unions. Seems to me, if you are using the terms, interchangably, and the only issue is removing the conflict of the word "marriage", all you are doing is presenting a sematical argument.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Is the idea of marriage really "logical" in the first place, or is it more emotional?
    Nope, it's entirely logical. Two people who have chosen to legally entangle their lives are better for the overall economy because they tend to have more free money to spend. Thus, society gives them breaks in recognition of their positive effect.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yeah... I've been doing this debate, consistently, for 5 years. I DO address it in RL at times (helping kids come out to unsupportive parents)
    Could you explain this some? I don't quite see how telling kids "the government accepts such relationships in some places, so your parent's should" is a strong position.

    I'd be more inclined to tell the kid "there's nothing wrong with you, not matter what your parents or the government says".

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Could you explain this some? I don't quite see how telling kids "the government accepts such relationships in some places, so your parent's should" is a strong position.

    I'd be more inclined to tell the kid "there's nothing wrong with you, not matter what your parents or the government says".
    The first statement never comes up. The second does, but the kids I work with are minors and often need/want their parents emotional support. Until they reach majority, parental non-support can be difficult for them to deal with.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The first statement never comes up. The second does, but the kids I work with are minors and often need/want their parents emotional support. Until they reach majority, parental non-support can be difficult for them to deal with.
    Okay, I read this as first "amendment" instead of statement, and was highly confused for a moment

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Okay, I read this as first "amendment" instead of statement, and was highly confused for a moment

    Time to sleep I think.
    Ummm... yeah... probably for me, also. 5:30 AM is enough.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Same-sex marriage is wrong because
    We shouldn't create yet another form of legal recognition of one person's love and commitment to another. To me marriage is marriage and I don't like the term "same sex marriage." Two adults (of whatever sex) who choose to make such a commitment should be allowed to marry and it marriage. Calling it "same-sex-marriage" creates a fake position such as we have in the UK where only heterosexuals can have an ordinary marriage and only gay people can have a civil partnership or civil union.

    I don't buy the argument that marriage sanctifies one or other religion as marriage (I strongly believe) has been around in one form or another for quite a long time and we have seen various religions come and go in that time. I also think when some speak of protecting the religious meaning of "marriage" they are speaking only about a western concept of marriage and most probably tied to a christian version. If you look in the broadest sense - there are all sorts of religions and none should have the right to define whether other people -whether religious or not- are allowed to be called married or not.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Seriously, your poll options and OP don't make it appear as if you're interested in understanding. I'm not criticizing at all, just saying, you set the tone. I doubt anyone serious about their opposition is going to believe respectful dialogue is what you're after. See what I'm saying?
    They arent interested in understanding its all about demanding

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