View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The right to define marriage in keeping with its values....in this case.
    Your answer is an appeal to tradition logical fallacy???

    By the way... I know of know "right of definition".
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There is as much as there is for the minority's desire to do the same.
    Please quote from the Constituton where the "right to define" is.

    mac... this is REALLY getting bad when you are resorting to something like this.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Please quote from the Constituton where the "right to define" is.

    mac... this is REALLY getting bad when you are resorting to something like this.
    You won't find all your rights spelled out in the Constitution.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Perhaps there is no harm to you, or at least any harm you recognize. There is harm to a great many, or so they say. Who are you to judge them false?
    Their harm is because they are offended. Since they have no right to not be offended, their harm is irrelevant, legally and Constitutionally.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, being straight does not give one specific rights, because rights are not based on sexual orientation. Just because you're hetero doesn't mean you can marry just any opposite-sex person you want. There are all kinds of restrictions on the 'right to contract' as no right is universal or absolute.

    This includes the right to marry.
    In the case of marriage, being hetero gives you special rights that gays do not have. Straights can marry someone they are attracted to. Gay cannot.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Quite right, so I did, badly. I apologize
    Thank you. I figured.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Actually I thought the federal government called that a fraudulent marriage. While I think this can be done, it wouldn't change her status automatically. I think there are requirements you have to meet to prove that the marriage is not just for that reason.
    The government would find it fraudulant if they found out. And yes, there are lots of hoops and proofs people have to go through in this situation. I was offered to do this about 5 years ago, but I refused for ethical reasons.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Same-sex marriage is in fact immoral and shouldn't be outlawed. Gays should remain free to do their own thing, but society has to draw the line at gay marriage.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    so I have a right to have sex in public right?
    Whether it offends me or not is irrelevant to it's legality.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why wouldn't it fall under the same scrutiny, especially if one believes in polygamy for religious reasons?
    You've a right to PRACTICE your religion under the law, but the law isn't required to endorse your religion. For it to be discrimination based on religion, the law would need to be allowing those attempting to be polygamous for reasons other than religion to be married and thus the reason that religious polygamous people can't be recognized is due to their religion.

    However, that is not the case, they are not being discriminated against due to their religion because they can't do it regardless if their religion allows it, doesn't allow it, they aren't religious, etc.

    You could say they're doing something other religions can do, which is have their version of marriage recognized by the government. However, that's more of a circumstantial issue than a direct one, since the government doens't directly say "christian marriages" or "jewish marriages" are allowed.

    Take for example some orthodox Jews who won't use electricity on the sabbath. The government isn't discriminating against them by continuing to use electricity during the Sabbath, even though by doing so it tacitly may be doing something some religions thinks are okay but the jewish religion may not. However, if it were to forcefully stop orthodox jews from being able to do it in their private setting, then you have an issue of religious problems.

    Religious discrimination would be something more along the lines of "Anyone can be married in the United States and have it recognized by the government except for Mormons". In this case, the law is specifically disallowing a group of people due to their religion and making the law unequal towards them...that is religious discrimination. Such isn't the caes with regards to polygamy.

    As such, it doesn't fall under any of the middle or upper tier categories, making it at best a lower teir and not even a a "second-order rational test" lower teir entity like some things are.

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