View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Jerry! Dude, I haven't seen you in forever. Wanna debate some old bud? I've ignored half my debating partners because they have been lying and it's getting kind of boring.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You have no right to not be offended.
    I've read that somewhere before.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The only difference is you think mac and people like him in some convoluted way actually care about the Constitution and I think he would use it to wipe his ass if it would allow him to impose his religious views on others. Nothing he has said or done in this thread has lead me to believe otherwise.
    Nor ever you would. Either someone is a religious zealot or is non-religious in your eyes. You're a bigot.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I asked for examples of any harm caused to a person by allowing them to marry someone of the same sex. You haven't given me anything but supposition and apparently an assumption that I believe that walking down the street naked causes harm and/or should be banned.

    For the record, I don't believe this, I happen to be very much against laws that ban walking around naked because I was raised by a mother who taught us to see the human body as just a body and not something sexual, it's just that such laws are not actually causing harm to a lot of people at the moment. Same sex marriage is much more important to me but believe me, if someone is arrested and especially put on a sex offenders' list for just being naked in public, I do get mad and speak out against it.

    Just answer the questions with some sort of examples of the harm that might be caused so that those can be legitimately compared to the harm done in preventing same sex couples from getting a legal marriage.
    I think it safe to say that you would not recognize any harm because you have decided it's completely harmless. I'm of the opinion people either think it is harmless and therefore completely dismissive of any harm induced by ssm or they think it is very harmful and therefore overly sensitive to its perceived harm. I think there are very few in the middle of those two extremes.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    mac, missed the part about the sex on the beach, which is why it wasn't addressed. I am actually okay with people having sex on the beach as well. Doesn't really hurt me at all. Granted, I can at least see why some people might not want to allow their children to see such acts, since we have some available research to suggest that children are affected negatively by viewing some adult acts. This is most likely one of the biggest reasons that it is illegal most places. If someone wishes to challenge those laws, I say "go for it".

    I don't equate either being allowed to walk naked in public or have sex on a beach though as being on equal standing with being allowed to marry. Not being allowed to the first two in no way harms or restricts a person in a way that could reasonably affect their property or rights, such as being allowed to visit people in hospitals or live with a loved one in the same nursing home room as a spouse or being given the right to make certain decisions for someone who considered you their closest relative or being allowed to take sole possession of money and property that should have been considered legally half yours due to the nature of your relationship with another person without penalty upon their death and others. SSM is much more important to get legalized to me than the other two.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    I can't make a much more clear argument that this...

    Marriage is a law.

    Text of Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    It should be pretty clear that same sex marriage bans deny me a right that every woman has, and that is the right to marry a man. Before any state can impose such a law on me, and discriminate solely on the basis of my sex, it must give me due process of law.

    And that means that those bans, which discriminate against me on the basis of my sex must meet the second level of scrutiny and serve some important state interest. To date, nobody has provided a reasonable state interest that is served by denying me equal protection of marriage.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 05-31-11 at 11:08 PM.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I think it safe to say that you would not recognize any harm because you have decided it's completely harmless. I'm of the opinion people either think it is harmless and therefore completely dismissive of any harm induced by ssm or they think it is very harmful and therefore overly sensitive to its perceived harm. I think there are very few in the middle of those two extremes.
    You have not yet given me even a single example of harm that it might cause. You just keep avoiding answering the question and accusing me of various things I have not done.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You have not yet given me even a single example of harm that it might cause. You just keep avoiding answering the question and accusing me of various things I have not done.
    I haven't accused you of anything, and the only option I have to do what you ask is relate it to things people still recognize as being indirectly harmful. There are plenty of things we regulate for the sake of perceived harm...not just ban SSM.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You have no right to not be offended.
    so I have a right to have sex in public right?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Please quote any instance where I have said homosexuality is right because it occurs in nature. I have argued homosexuality is natural, by most definitions, but I have never argued on this forum that it is right just because it is natural. If you cannot quote me, then I expect an apology and will not acknowledge you any further until I receive one. I am sick of your lying and deceit. You epitomize everything I hate about Christianity.
    This rant is so very rich coming from you.
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