View Poll Results: Same-sex marriage is wrong because

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  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    77 68.14%
  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    16 14.16%
  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    4 3.54%
  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    0 0%
  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    1 0.88%
  • Other (please explain)

    15 13.27%
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As I've said, I've seen absolutely nothing concrete suggesting anywhere near a "harm" to society if gays are allowed to be married and let alone more harm then there is potentially in continuing to discriminate against same sex marriage. Perhaps if you could provide something it'd change my mind. But I'm tired of your round about game where you're not saying anything and just keep throwing spaghetti against a wall hoping something will stick while never actually making any legitimate argument.
    Perhaps there is no harm to you, or at least any harm you recognize. There is harm to a great many, or so they say. Who are you to judge them false?
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Because non physical harm is exceedingly difficult to illustrate.
    SO difficult that you've not been able to provide a single ounce of proof or evidence suggesting its there, and instead keep dancing around and asking ridiculous questions hoping to spit something out that sticks or catch people in a gotcha rather than actually putting forth your own argument because you have none.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually, I don't think there's anything that's illegal that causes NO harm, its just the level of harm potentially there and what is acceptable or not.

    However, not all those things are necessarily unconstitutional as I feel same sex marriage is.
    Rather than pull a CT on you, I'm going to assume you mean opposition to ssm is unconstitutional.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Because non physical harm is exceedingly difficult to illustrate.
    Exactly. So someone should show some reason for those actual laws being in a state's interest. That is what courts are for when people cannot overturn those laws through legislation (which is unlikely to happen for many laws that have been in place for a while).
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why do you keep on bringing up these other issues?
    He is playing consequences of belief.

    Fallacy: Appeal to Consequences of a Belief

    He can't imagine morals without his Bible and so he thinks if he questions people enough he will eventually find a situation or law that they embrace just as subjectively as he embraces his hatred of same sex marriage.

    What he doesn't understand is that human beings evolved to be social animals, and as such, we are biologically predisposed to empathy, which in turn forms the foundation of all morality, reciprocity. Reciprocity as in, "An eye for an eye," or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," or even "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours." He doesn't understand that morality comes from our biological need to form a cohesive tribe, not from an ancient book.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    SO difficult that you've not been able to provide a single ounce of proof or evidence suggesting its there, and instead keep dancing around and asking ridiculous questions hoping to spit something out that sticks or catch people in a gotcha rather than actually putting forth your own argument because you have none.
    I don't actually think that it will cause me harm, I know enough people that feel strongly enough about it that it will cause them harm.
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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't actually think that it will cause me harm, I know enough people that feel strongly enough about it that it will cause them harm.
    There were a lot of people who thought that interracial marriage would cause them harm. These are not the type of people who ought to be taken seriously. These are people who choose to be harmed.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't actually think that it will cause me harm, I know enough people that feel strongly enough about it that it will cause them harm.
    It will cause them harm in the same way that voodoo causes harm. It doesn't. You have to believe that the harm is real and imminent.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Perhaps there is no harm to you, or at least any harm you recognize. There is harm to a great many, or so they say. Who are you to judge them false?
    Stating "It harms me" does not mean there is harm. Not to a level that I would require to think it legitimate, IE something that can actually be measured or proven or shown in some way other than a claim by an individual. If they can't....like you apparently...actually SHOW how it harms them in some fashion, then their words are hollow and irrelevant.

    This is ESPECIALLY true when they're asking me to believe nothing but their FEELINGS as an excuse to violate the constitution.

    "No, I'm sorry it makes you feel really really sad that black people are treated like humans...no you can't continue to discriminate against them".

    Sorry your feelings are hurt mac. Your being sensitive isn't a reason the constitution should be shat upon.

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    Re: SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't actually think that it will cause me harm, I know enough people that feel strongly enough about it that it will cause them harm.
    What kind of harm will it cause them? Do tell.

    Will they become physically hurt by seeing SSM legalized? Will they be forced to be involved in a SSM? How exactly are they going to be harmed? Will it be due to their own actions and choices? What exactly is it that will cause the harm and why wouldn't that harm be caused from calling same sex relationships at the level of marriage civil unions instead of marriage?
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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