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Thread: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I do believe you have the right to food and some form of shelter, yes.
    I don't believe those are rights. The world is overpopulated.

    Nonetheless... Why not include 'some form' of medicine? Could be chili, garlic or bio-medicine of many sorts. Heck, most people don't drink enough water each day and that could count as preventative medicine. It would be eas to include medicine under the qualifier 'some sort'; why not?

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I do believe you have the right to food and some form of shelter, yes.
    How does the right to X equate to the entitlement to have X provided to you by others?

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    How does the right to X equate to the entitlement to have X provided to you by others?
    It is presumably taken by others, in violation of one's rights, and should be returned. I believe that is the rationale.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im making a "claim"? What kind of claim? What do you mean by claim?
    A demand. If you have a right to something then someone else must be forced to give it to you. If you have a right to a free lunch then someone else must be compelled to give up what is theirs to fulfill your "right".

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Must suck to be a slave... Not making the connection here.
    You are one as well. You just don't recognize the weight of your slave collar and chains. You will.

    To make a demand upon my money is to make a demand upon my life for I exchange hours of my life in return for money. I am a slave for two days out of every week. I do not work for my benefit but for all of the slaveholders out there who are "entitled."

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Note only are entitlements not necessary, they're not Constitutional.

    No one is entitled to someone else's property. Slavery is illegal in civilized nations.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    Before "the system" arrived that makes us First World,
    The US was "first world" before the systematic policy of partial slavery and limited freedoms the quasi-socialist state imposed on us dictates.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think in a civilized government that anyone should starve to death or die because a disease went untreated. I do think that citizens of our country are entitled to food and healthcare. It would be barbaric to deny people these things especially when we live in a prosperous country.
    Something wrong with your checkbook? it only opens when the tax man and his machine guns come to your door?

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    It's not that simple. What I would have died from was a large cyst that required surgery. Pretty minor surgery, and actually not a big deal... if you have medical care. If I didn't, I would have been dead in a month.

    In other words, I never would have made it to adulthood without comprehensive medical care. And I'm a healthy person.

    The same is true of anyone who's ever have appendicitis, asthma, severe allergies, or even a cavity. All of these are common, and can result in death if left untreated.
    LOOK!

    An amazing incentive for someone to not waste their time in school, to learn useful (that means "marketable") skills, to get a job, and hold on to it.

    Is there any particular reason the people who follow the outlined course of action have to be robbed to support people who won't do that?

    No, there's no reason at all.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    ...And then plunge me into a few thousand dollars of debt for having the audacity to get sick? Lovely.
    If you don't want to bear the cost of your cure, you don't have to take the cure. Life is full of these little choices, isn't it?

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    How do you lower poverty?
    Change what is, after all, a completely arbitrary definition.

    No one with the money to pay for TV should be considered in poverty, for example.

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