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Thread: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Businesses can create jobs. However, many jobs, especially a number of higher-paying jobs, have been 'outsourced', contributing to poverty and unemployment.
    Fascinating. In your view, when a business employs someone with a high salary it contributes to poverty and unemployment?
    Could you explain how?

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    We are not a "first world" country...
    Who sets the standards for this ?
    I voted "I do not know".
    I agree with MistessNomad and disagree with the Baron....
    People must have the "right" to access these things, but should the government provide them??
    I believe that the government has to regulate and control (but this has to be done ever so carefully).
    The problem in the "medical industry" is that costs (for the masses) and for the middle class as well ,have gotten out of hand.
    I hope that our nation is not the last one on this planet to do something concrete about this.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Originally Posted by Misterveritis
    - "From each according to his abilities. To each according to his needs", is not found in the US Constitution.

    Second; it probably should be. I'm not a Marxist, but that's one of the points in which I'm in total agreement. Also, I'd estimate the majority of the American people would agree.
    Then you are a Marxist.
    If it is true that the majority believes that the US Constitution should contain a fundamental tenet of Marxist dogma we are doomed as a nation.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So now not only do you want to have goods and services provided to you, you also want to make sure the one who gives the gift does so with right motives? Awesome.
    No, I'm simply calling a spade a spade. Its not altruistic to give people charity if you think you are scoring points with god, just like its not alturistic to expect the government to provide everyone with all the assistance they need.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    No, I'm simply calling a spade a spade. Its not altruistic to give people charity if you think you are scoring points with god, just like its not alturistic to expect the government to provide everyone with all the assistance they need.
    Cool. So charity is not enough. Call a spade a spade. I can imagine you also support hate crimes legislation.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    [QUOTE=Misterveritis;1059538276]Cool. So charity is not enough.[quote]
    Charity is enough, just don't expect for me to automatically think you are a good person for doing.

    I can imagine you also support hate crimes legislation.
    Why would you think that? Nothing I have said should lead you to that conclusion.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    [QUOTE=xpiher;1059538284][QUOTE=Misterveritis;1059538276]Cool. So charity is not enough.
    Charity is enough, just don't expect for me to automatically think you are a good person for doing.
    I do not recall asking for you to think I am a good person. It should be sufficient that I clothe you, feed you, give you shelter, provide for your education...

    I can imagine you also support hate crimes legislation.
    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Why would you think that? Nothing I have said should lead you to that conclusion.
    If you suspect motives in charity why not in crime? It is internally consistent.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 06-03-11 at 07:52 PM.

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    I do believe you have the right to food and some form of shelter, yes.


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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I do believe you have the right to food and some form of shelter, yes.
    When you have an affirmative right then you are making a claim on someone else's life to provide you with the object of that right.

    i have a friend who is a slaveholder. I know. I am one of his slaves...

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    Re: Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    When you have an affirmative right then you are making a claim on someone else's life to provide you with the object of that right.
    Im making a "claim"? What kind of claim? What do you mean by claim?


    i have a friend who is a slaveholder. I know. I am one of his slaves...
    Must suck to be a slave... Not making the connection here.


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