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Basic Shelter/Food/Medical Entitlements Neccessary in First World Governments?

Are Entitlement Neccessary?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 51.5%
  • No

    Votes: 11 33.3%
  • Sometimes.

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Don't know.

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • Total voters
    33
Cool. So charity is not enough.
Charity is enough, just don't expect for me to automatically think you are a good person for doing.
I do not recall asking for you to think I am a good person. It should be sufficient that I clothe you, feed you, give you shelter, provide for your education...

I can imagine you also support hate crimes legislation.
Why would you think that? Nothing I have said should lead you to that conclusion.
If you suspect motives in charity why not in crime? It is internally consistent.
 
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I do believe you have the right to food and some form of shelter, yes.
 
I do believe you have the right to food and some form of shelter, yes.
When you have an affirmative right then you are making a claim on someone else's life to provide you with the object of that right.

i have a friend who is a slaveholder. I know. I am one of his slaves...
 
When you have an affirmative right then you are making a claim on someone else's life to provide you with the object of that right.
Im making a "claim"? What kind of claim? What do you mean by claim?


i have a friend who is a slaveholder. I know. I am one of his slaves...
Must suck to be a slave... Not making the connection here.
 
I do believe you have the right to food and some form of shelter, yes.

I don't believe those are rights. The world is overpopulated.

Nonetheless... Why not include 'some form' of medicine? Could be chili, garlic or bio-medicine of many sorts. Heck, most people don't drink enough water each day and that could count as preventative medicine. It would be eas to include medicine under the qualifier 'some sort'; why not?
 
How does the right to X equate to the entitlement to have X provided to you by others?

It is presumably taken by others, in violation of one's rights, and should be returned. I believe that is the rationale.
 
Im making a "claim"? What kind of claim? What do you mean by claim?
A demand. If you have a right to something then someone else must be forced to give it to you. If you have a right to a free lunch then someone else must be compelled to give up what is theirs to fulfill your "right".

Must suck to be a slave... Not making the connection here.
You are one as well. You just don't recognize the weight of your slave collar and chains. You will.

To make a demand upon my money is to make a demand upon my life for I exchange hours of my life in return for money. I am a slave for two days out of every week. I do not work for my benefit but for all of the slaveholders out there who are "entitled."

Revolutions begin this way.
 
Note only are entitlements not necessary, they're not Constitutional.

No one is entitled to someone else's property. Slavery is illegal in civilized nations.
 
I don't think in a civilized government that anyone should starve to death or die because a disease went untreated. I do think that citizens of our country are entitled to food and healthcare. It would be barbaric to deny people these things especially when we live in a prosperous country.

Something wrong with your checkbook? it only opens when the tax man and his machine guns come to your door?
 
It's not that simple. What I would have died from was a large cyst that required surgery. Pretty minor surgery, and actually not a big deal... if you have medical care. If I didn't, I would have been dead in a month.

In other words, I never would have made it to adulthood without comprehensive medical care. And I'm a healthy person.

The same is true of anyone who's ever have appendicitis, asthma, severe allergies, or even a cavity. All of these are common, and can result in death if left untreated.

LOOK!

An amazing incentive for someone to not waste their time in school, to learn useful (that means "marketable") skills, to get a job, and hold on to it.

Is there any particular reason the people who follow the outlined course of action have to be robbed to support people who won't do that?

No, there's no reason at all.
 
...And then plunge me into a few thousand dollars of debt for having the audacity to get sick? Lovely.

If you don't want to bear the cost of your cure, you don't have to take the cure. Life is full of these little choices, isn't it?
 
Note only are entitlements not necessary, they're not Constitutional.

No one is entitled to someone else's property. Slavery is illegal in civilized nations.

Tell that to local gov. that if they decide they wish to widen your street and put in sidewalks they will make you sell them that part of your land. I mean force it on you:(
 
Tell that to local gov. that if they decide they wish to widen your street and put in sidewalks they will make you sell them that part of your land. I mean force it on you:(
That is completely different. If the government pays fair market value for your property in order to provide a good or service for the benefit of everyone then it is legal and constitutional everywhere. That is not the same as telling me that I must work two days out of every week my entire life for the benefit of other people. The first is a godd thing. The second is state-mandated slavery.
 
Fascinating. In your view, when a business employs someone with a high salary it contributes to poverty and unemployment?
Could you explain how?

That wasn't what I said.

Then you are a Marxist.
If it is true that the majority believes that the US Constitution should contain a fundamental tenet of Marxist dogma we are doomed as a nation.

That single maxim isn't the totality of Marxism. There's a lot more to it than that.
 
Tell that to local gov. that if they decide they wish to widen your street and put in sidewalks they will make you sell them that part of your land. I mean force it on you:(

Hello?

You ought to try reading the eminent domain clause.

It says the property taken shall be for public use.

And the owner of the property shall receive just compensation.

Since the government isn't giving a citizen a hundred dollars in cash for each hundred dollars expropriated for unconstitutional entitlement programs, then the government is not fulfilling it's Constitutional requirements.
 
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