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    Tabula Rasa

    Tabular Rasa, or clean slate, is the idea that the human mind receives knowledge and forms itself based on experience alone, without any pre-existing innate ideas that would serve as a starting point.

    Do you think people are defined by their experiences and perceptions of the world, or do you believe people are born a particular way?
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    All of my child development books promote the theory of inherent traits modified, promoted, or discouraged by external events. So nature + nurture, as it were.
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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Tabular Rasa, or clean slate, is the idea that the human mind receives knowledge and forms itself based on experience alone, without any pre-existing innate ideas that would serve as a starting point.

    Do you think people are defined by their experiences and perceptions of the world, or do you believe people are born a particular way?

    There's a trend these days to explain everything away as being genetic, or a result of prenatal/early biochemical/hormonal influence, etc etc see "inborn".

    I don't buy it. Sure, you inherit some things. I inherited blue-green eyes, a build like a bulldozer, and a tendency to suffer hair loss earlier than most. I probably inherited a hot temper and a inclination to violence as well, if half the stories I've heard about my Dad's younger days are true.

    I keep my hot temper and predilection to violence under control. Why? Because I was taught to from early childhood, and my life experiences since have reinforced to me that it is bad to be a hothead. A cool head thinks more clearly and accomplishes things better.

    Genetics and early development certainly play a role in personality and character, but I think upbringing, example and environment are at least equal in influence. Later, in adulthood, conscious choices can be made; I do not believe we are slaves to our genes.

    I chose a mix of the two accordingly.

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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    Nature:nuture

    20:80

    The 20 mostly because of intelligence.

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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    All of my child development books promote the theory of inherent traits modified, promoted, or discouraged by external events. So nature + nurture, as it were.
    I tend to agree, but to play devil's advocate, how much do you think someone is shaped by their surroundings? Was Hitler born hating anyone outside the Aryan race? Is someone conservative, liberal, communist, socialist, fascist, etc because of their upbringing?
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    All of my child development books promote the theory of inherent traits modified, promoted, or discouraged by external events. So nature + nurture, as it were.
    My thoughts, too.

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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    Well its both. Physiologically there are developmental milestones that are considered normal within a certain range. They require input/output from the central nervous system to work. I don't know about psychologically, but I would assume there are some milestones in there as well. Both can be influenced through experience, but we wouldn't be the creature we are without a common ground of development.
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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    I tend to agree, but to play devil's advocate, how much do you think someone is shaped by their surroundings? Was Hitler born hating anyone outside the Aryan race? Is someone conservative, liberal, communist, socialist, fascist, etc because of their upbringing?
    I think it's probably heavily on nurture, but nuture is limited by what nature has provided. A child who is inherently nervous or frightened around people from birth is probably not going to be a public speaker some day.
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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    Interesting tidbit: I read a study last year that tracked intelligence in children. They measure children living with their bio parents and children living with adoptive parents. The also measure the intelligence of the parental units. Children tracked amazingly close to their bio parents consistently (even if they lived with adoptive parents), so if the bio parent was in the 60th percentile the child would be pretty close as well, even if the adoptive parent was in the 90th percentile. They were tested once yearly over five years, as well.
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    Re: Tabula Rasa

    Nature vs nurture vs intelligence.. Not sure what percentages I would give each. Maybe it's a 3way split. I give a lot of credence to intellect/adaptability. Also with that your dealing with emotional IQ. I beleive a lot of folks who want to go with the "Tabula Resa" concept may have major psychopaths/criminals as ancestors.

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