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Incest - Good, Bad, Ugly?

Good, bad, harmless, legalize?

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Fiddytree said:
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Hawt?
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Was Kay Parker the original MILF?
 
StillBallin75 said:
Everything you've said here is a good point, however personally I think each relationship should be judged on its own merits. Surely there are tons and tons of heterosexual, non-incestual relationships that are just as unhealthy. Perhaps incestual relationships are inherently more so, but legally I don't think there should be a ban on incest marriage if two consenting individuals want to do that.

And i'm also interested to know how much of the "unhealthiness" in incestual relationships is inherent, and how much of it is socially constructed.
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Well, I can tell you that when my paternal parental unit molested me, he told me that this is how fathers teach their daughters about sex. I had no reason not to believe him until my mom found the polaroids he took of me. She of course came completely unhinged, but hey. That was probably just social conditioning. She went on to tell me that since I was old enough to know better, it was actually an 'affair.'

That answer your question any?
 
Redress said:
So you where not trying to assign a position to any one person, just claiming that people are adopting a position they are not.
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I'll cut to the chase by asking if you think there's no pro-homosexual people who are morally-bigoted against incestual people.
 
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Wake said:
...or harmless? Is consensual incest legal? If not, then why is society so morally bigoted? Since it's harmless and consensual, should it not only be legalized, but also given support as a group? Should we mention it in school? Allow ancestral marriages, etc? Should society stop being bigoted and slowly learn to accept it? It's against the Bible? Who cares?

New movement?

D. A.
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What a sick question.
If not, then why is society so morally bigoted? Since it's harmless and consensual, ...
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It leads to retardation in a big way. Visit the South and look around.
 
BDBoop said:
Well, I can tell you that when my paternal parental unit molested me, he told me that this is how fathers teach their daughters about sex. I had no reason not to believe him until my mom found the polaroids he took of me. She of course came completely unhinged, but hey. That was probably just social conditioning. She went on to tell me that since I was old enough to know better, it was actually an 'affair.'

That answer your question any?
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I'm so sorry that happened to you. You were a child. It was not your fault, which I'm certain you now know. I can't believe how traumatic it must have been to be so horribly betrayed by both of the people who were supposed to love and protect you. :(
 
Councilman said:
What a sick question.

It leads to retardation in a big way. Visit the South and look around.
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Our world is sick. Look how far we've come.

Homosexuality is not wrong because it's harmless. Hatred supposedly isn't wrong because it's a harmless feeling. There are users here who are indifferent to incest. Many think there's no harm in prostitution because it's harmless.

From a logical perspective, "right and wrong" don't matter much.

We have rights to do whatever we want. We don't care. It's not hurting anyone. "Hey, you must be a hateful bigot." Down the drain we go. Round and round. Feels good? Do it. Wrong is subjective, so "F off."

It's our society.

Convolution.

Down.
 
Wake said:
Our world is sick. Look how far we've come.

Homosexuality is not wrong because it's harmless. Hatred supposedly isn't wrong because it's a harmless feeling. There are users here who are indifferent to incest. Many think there's no harm in prostitution because it's harmless.

From a logical perspective, "right and wrong" don't matter much.

We have rights to do whatever we want. We don't care. It's not hurting anyone. "Hey, you must be a hateful bigot." Down the drain we go. Round and round. Feels good? Do it. Wrong is subjective, so "F off."

It's our society.

Convolution.

Down.
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Thats exactly whats wrong with all this...everyone has a right to do whatever screwed up thing it is they want...Bull****...incest is never consensual when its starts its COERCED and if as a society were not going to put a bullet in the parents head who does it...then lock their ass up and let the rest of the convicts have at them..
Enough is enough with this crap that everythings ok just because a couple want to do it...

There has to be limits and NO you cant do what you want just because YOU want to do it....thats the big copout "I HAVE A RIGHT" no you dont
 
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lpast said:
Thats exactly whats wrong with all this...everyone has a right to do whatever screwed up thing it is they want...Bull****...incest is never consensual when its starts its COERCED and if as a society were not going to put a bullet in the parents head who does it...then lock their ass up and let the rest of the convicts have at them..
Enough is enough with this crap that everythings ok just because a couple want to do it...

There has to be limits and NO you cant do what you want just because YOU want to do it....thats the big copout "I HAVE A RIGHT" no you dont
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Do you think incest only entails a parent and an underaged child?

I'm focusing on consenting adults, cousins, adult siblings, etc.

That's what I'm getting at.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Everything you've said here is a good point, however personally I think each relationship should be judged on its own merits. Surely there are tons and tons of heterosexual, non-incestual relationships that are just as unhealthy. Perhaps incestual relationships are inherently more so, but legally I don't think there should be a ban on incest marriage if two consenting individuals want to do that.

And i'm also interested to know how much of the "unhealthiness" in incestual relationships is inherent, and how much of it is socially constructed.
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I do see what you're saying, but I just don't believe that it is in the government's best interest to examine every couple who is trying to enter into a legal relationship status to determine whether the relationship is healthy or not. We generally go with what the statistics show about the health of the relationship based from research about those types of relationships. If the statistics show that most of the relationships of a certain type are going to be healthy relationships or did not start from a potentially abusive and/or not legally consenting point, then we should allow those relationships to exist until evidence to the contrary comes to light, which should then be investigated. If the statistics show that most of relationships of a certain type are going to be unhealthy and/or start from a potentially abusive and/or not legally consenting point, then we restrict those relationships.

Now I understand that cousin relationships don't work this way, since many states do not allow first cousins to marry, but I don't agree with this because most cousins were not raised like my family where they were pretty much raised with each other and there is no reason to believe that the majority of cousins developed their relationship before they were at least into puberty. I think all cousins should be allowed to marry if they wish, although I don't have an issue with requiring genetic counseling, since they would still have the potential for their offspring to be at an increased risk for birth defects and/or behavioral/developmental problems.

As for the question about how the health of the relationship is determined, I guess it would be a question of influence. We would consider it illegal for an adult to attempt to establish an intimate relationship (that might eventually lead to sexual relations) with a child, even if they are not attempting to actually have sex with the child, so to me an older, but not quite adult, sibling who establishes this type of relationship is doing the same thing. And there is really no good way to determine what age difference would make the difference between healthy relationship and unhealthy relationship, because it would all depend on how much intentional influence was being used to establish the relationship.

To me, it is just safer to continue to restrict incest relations between close blood relatives, but allow exceptions when they can show that they weren't raised together, so there is no question of coersion or influence. Now, I think that there should be some legal contracts available to family members to more easily establish at least some of the rights/benefits of marriage.
 
Wake said:
Our world is sick. Look how far we've come.

Homosexuality is not wrong because it's harmless. Hatred supposedly isn't wrong because it's a harmless feeling. There are users here who are indifferent to incest. Many think there's no harm in prostitution because it's harmless.

From a logical perspective, "right and wrong" don't matter much.

We have rights to do whatever we want. We don't care. It's not hurting anyone. "Hey, you must be a hateful bigot." Down the drain we go. Round and round. Feels good? Do it. Wrong is subjective, so "F off."

It's our society.

Convolution.

Down.
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Sounds like you believe yourself to be the sole arbitrator of what exactly is "right" and what exactly is "wrong."
 
Can we go back to talking about Kay Parker?
 
DiAnna said:
Sounds like you believe yourself to be the sole arbitrator of what exactly is "right" and what exactly is "wrong."
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Do you think you can deem incest wrong?

Lol, your statement applies to ALL.
 
I'm fine with them being married, I personally think its wrong, and definitely think its ugly, but I don't see an extremely good reason to ban marriage regarding it. To my understanding the risk of genetic disease except in situations where its multigenerational is a less than or on par with an older woman having a kid...and we allow that.

One of those things where I don't find a 70 year old marrying a 20 year old to be any less wrong or ugly, but I don't think that should be banned either.

Now, when there's any proof or evidence of it being started prior to the age of consent...THEN there's a significant legal issue.
 
Wake said:
Our world is sick. Look how far we've come.

Homosexuality is not wrong because it's harmless. Hatred supposedly isn't wrong because it's a harmless feeling. There are users here who are indifferent to incest. Many think there's no harm in prostitution because it's harmless.

From a logical perspective, "right and wrong" don't matter much.

We have rights to do whatever we want. We don't care. It's not hurting anyone. "Hey, you must be a hateful bigot." Down the drain we go. Round and round. Feels good? Do it. Wrong is subjective, so "F off."

It's our society.

Convolution.

Down.
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Wake said:
Do you think you can deem incest wrong?

Lol, your statement applies to ALL.
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So once again you fling words on a post, and refuse to defend or support them. If I misunderstood what you were saying in the original quote, then please clarify your meaning. If I was right about my interpretation, then clarify that. There's little value in trying to interact with someone who will not stand by what he has written and answers questions with more questions.
 
Wake said:
It's insultuous to insinuate that I'm trolling/baiting.
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Or it could be construed as accurate and factual, as well as insightful.
 
Ockham said:
Or it could be construed as accurate and factual, as well as insightful.
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An example would be if I asked whether Sharia Law is inhumane in it's native countries.

Some would call it trolling, others wouldn't.

Your post isn't much different.

Can't please everyone.
 
animals do it all the time, therefore it must be natural and normal
 
Whovian said:
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that was funny as hell. gotta love joe dirt. and FWIW, If I had a sister that looked like Jamie Presley, I'd screw her brains out without a second thought.

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