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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And then Catholic scholars came together and decided on a canon that was definitively consistent with the teachings of Christ and the prophesies of the Old Testament. Luther just took out books and passages that didn't fit with his personal view of the Christian faith. Significant difference...
    I'm not sure I see the difference. Why is it OK for the Catholic Church to edit and remove books and passages that they believed weren't "consistent with the teachings of Christ and the prophesies of the Old Testament," but it isn't OK for Luther to do exactly the same thing?
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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not sure I see the difference. Why is it OK for the Catholic Church to edit and remove books and passages that they believed weren't "consistent with the teachings of Christ and the prophesies of the Old Testament," but it isn't OK for Luther to do exactly the same thing?
    Except that was one man and that isn't what he did. Do you know the primary reason why Catholics believe in faith and works while most Protestants believe in Faith Alone?

    Also, as for KJV, I wouldn't trust a version from the head of a religion that was created for the sole purpose of granting a king an annulment from a marriage...
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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Except that was one man
    What does the number of people have to do with it? If anything that makes it worse. At least if it's just one guy editing it, you'll get the gist of his interpretation. But if it's hundreds of guys editing it over the course of hundreds of years, it's like a game of telephone, where more and more information is lost and/or misinterpreted.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    and that isn't what he did.
    You said that the Catholic scholars "decided on a canon that was definitively consistent with the teachings of Christ and the prophesies of the Old Testament," whereas Martin Luther merely "took out books and passages that didn't fit with his personal view of the Christian faith." As a non-Christian who has no dog in the fight between Catholic interpretations and Protestant interpretations, those actions sound identical to me...aside from the fact that you obviously agree with the former more than the latter.
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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What does the number of people have to do with it? If anything that makes it worse. At least if it's just one guy editing it, you'll get the gist of his interpretation. But if it's hundreds of guys editing it over the course of hundreds of years, it's like a game of telephone, where more and more information is lost and/or misinterpreted.
    The canon was chosen by a collection of Catholic scholars at one time, not over a course of hundreds of years... you are misrepresenting reality...

    You said that the Catholic scholars "decided on a canon that was definitively consistent with the teachings of Christ and the prophesies of the Old Testament," whereas Martin Luther merely "took out books and passages that didn't fit with his personal view of the Christian faith." As a non-Christian who has no dog in the fight between Catholic interpretations and Protestant interpretations, those actions sound identical to me...aside from the fact that you obviously agree with the former more than the latter.
    I would trust a collection of scholars looking at the epistles to ensure that they are consistant with what was known about the teaching's of Christ as told in the accounts of Christ's life and teachings over that of a single man who had a grudge and made unilateral changes to the canon.
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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Which books are you referring to specifically?
    The Gnostic Gospels, primarily, particularly those of Judas and Mary. The Christianity of my mother's line is heavily Gnostic in character, and I feel Gnosticism represents the best route to reaching an understanding of Jesus' nature, as opposed to only his teachings.

    I am endlessly curious about the prophets. I can't resolve in my own mind which of your sects is worshiping your god most properly, and it baffles me.

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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Thought this was appropriate to the copyright/publishing comment:
    But now? He's an atheist.


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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The canon was chosen by a collection of Catholic scholars at one time, not over a course of hundreds of years... you are misrepresenting reality...
    No. There may have been an official declaration by the Catholic Church at some point in time, but the canon itself was being tinkered with for nearly 400 years.
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    I would trust a collection of scholars looking at the epistles
    I'm still not seeing why a collection of scholars is able to do this better than a single individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    to ensure that they are consistant with what was known about the teaching's of Christ as told in the accounts of Christ's life and teachings
    This is a circular argument. You trust them to determine the canon because they're trying to make sure it's consistent with the canon. "The accounts of Christ's life and teachings" to which you refer ARE the canon.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    over that of a single man who had a grudge and made unilateral changes to the canon.
    A grudge against what? The Catholic Church? OK...and the Catholic Church had grudges against other sects of Christians, and made unilateral changes to reflect THEIR beliefs. It makes no logical sense that one is better than the other.
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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    I don't think we should do anything.. If people are stupid enough to take it literal.. Why should we make it say something smart so they sound smart?? They are still idiots for not thinking for themselves..

    I seriously doubt god wanted people to blindly believe the bible and live by it's rules.. Christians always talk about faith and being tested.. Did it ever occur to them that maybe the bible itself was a test and the real lesson was to think for themselves?? After all.. To truly know god takes prayer.. Not the bible..

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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I just find it curious that you would be most moved by a text that is in neither the original nor in your preferred tongue.
    You are wrong, KJV is one of the best World Translations!
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    Re: Edit the King James Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    You are wrong, KJV is one of the best World Translations!
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