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Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

Generational War?

  • Yes! Literal war with grandma! She's going down!

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • Yes, a serious generational political battle is on the horizon

    Votes: 9 40.9%

  • No

    Votes: 11 50.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    22
Catawba said:
No, its a class war, not a generational war as I see it.
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There isn't any need for a class war. There's nothing to fight about in this country in that regard.
 
WI Crippler said:
There isn't any need for a class war. There's nothing to fight about in this country in that regard.
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1 in 7 people live in poverty in this country. The Middle class now pay higher effective tax rates (22%) than the uber rich (16.6%). Yet further cuts are planned for services to lower classes, and more tax cuts are planned for the rich.

As Warren Buffett noted, “There’s class warfare, all right, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
 
the boomers are not about to go quietly. and we are not about to let them destroy the nation.

yup, it's gonna be a fight.
 
1 in 7 people live in poverty in this country.
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I have an idea. Let's use someone else's standards, like Kenya's. Then we could wipe out poverty in the US over-night.



"don't trust anyone over 30"
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In Kenya, right now, it's "don't trust anyone over 55".
 
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First we had slaves. Then we had oil. Then economic global disparity. The world is catching up, energy is not so available. For the first time in America's history, we don't have the luxury to run things irrationally. A serious political battlefield will develop. I think the rich will be so selfish that they will not be able keep Americans working with the wealth they claim they earned, and the poor will be so disheartened and without pride they will become criminals. Hatred toward entitlements is our only protection against crime and squalor. This the road we are taking. People better get a hint. It's stoppable, but only with leadership that can turn around this debt.
 
empireofreason said:
For the first time in America's history, we don't have the luxury to run things irrationally.
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Oh, I disagree. We can be as irrational as we want. Who's gonna stop us?


First we had slaves. Then we had oil. Then economic global disparity.
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Obviously, global economic disparity was first. But don't let that get in the way of BS.
 
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JohnWOlin said:
Claiming that entitlement programs is the single debt creator of our country is a gross exaggeration especially when other countries have less debt that involves their much more encompassing entitlement programs. Perhaps it also has to do with our defense budget, international aid, the constant creation of more departments that are redundant (entitlement and other), and having lower taxes on average than most of the industrialized world?
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I would also add that housing is usually the biggest or second biggest bill for the average household. I think the last time I checked the rental rate was around 40% in America. Entitlements that get applied to rentals depreciate in value 100% in 30 days, if you don't pay again you're evicted. Many internationals own American rentals. How do you like the idea of a few hundred tax dollars per unit completely vanishing in just a matter of thirty days? This is what happens when paying an eternal royalty that is sent out of the country. Even if it is inside the country this is probably the biggest legal scam of all. I heard Poland a few years ago gave some of their renters credit for their payments and now they own the places they indeed bought. The parasitic contract was ripped up. That's how you give people respect that paid their dues. The entire rental infrastructure for residential and commercial units is a bureaucratic waste of time and should be dismantled and energies poured into more impending problems. If these people want to make this kind of money, they should study engineering and make a product and American export and quit their contract scams that steal Americans efforts they apply to homes.
 
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ecofarm said:
Oh, I disagree. We can be as irrational as we want. Who's gonna stop us?
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The laws of nature.

ecofarm said:
Obviously, global economic disparity was first. But don't let that get in the way of BS.
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I'm arguing that's what is the most signficant reason that allows us to be irrational. Overtime, each reason had more influence. As energy availabiilty has increased in other countries, we have to rely upon how cheap they make our products. That's not bs. When they start getting higher wages as they are asking, our disparity will be the last hold. No more slaves. No more excess energy.
 
ecofarm said:
I have an idea. Let's use someone else's standards, like Kenya's. Then we could wipe out poverty in the US over-night.
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Comparing the US to a third world country is how you defend the fact that 1 in 7 in America live in poverty? :sun
 
Catawba said:
Comparing the US to a third world country is how you defend the fact that 1 in 7 in America live in poverty? :sun
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How are we defining poverty?
Only 2 cell phones in the family? Only one trip to a resturant a week? Only 2 trips to a fast food place a week? Minimum cable with no premium channels?
Only 1 car under 3 years old and second car as old as 7 or 8?
 
UtahBill said:
How are we defining poverty?
Only 2 cell phones in the family? Only one trip to a resturant a week? Only 2 trips to a fast food place a week? Minimum cable with no premium channels?
Only 1 car under 3 years old and second car as old as 7 or 8?
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They have to choose between getting an Xbox 360 or a Playstation 3. They can't have both.
 
empireofreason said:
The laws of nature.


I'm arguing that's what is the most signficant reason that allows us to be irrational. Overtime, each reason had more influence. As energy availabiilty has increased in other countries, we have to rely upon how cheap they make our products. That's not bs. When they start getting higher wages as they are asking, our disparity will be the last hold. No more slaves. No more excess energy.
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The laws of nature are hated by the left. Under the laws of nature, those who are slothful, untalented or unproductive starve. However, since they can vote at higher numbers (in many cases) than the productive, they are coddled and given the wealth of others by those who gain wealth and power from their votes
 
Catawba said:
Comparing the US to a third world country is how you defend the fact that 1 in 7 in America live in poverty? :sun
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psychobabble

spend some time in South America or Sub Saharan Africa or the far east and get back to me on what real poverty is.
 
UtahBill said:
they gonna riot in the streets, man, riots I tell ya....
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well what's typically missed is that there is a transitory nature to "poverty". What I mean by that is, at some point (usually in the early 20s) we usually have lived under the poverty line. I know that my wife and I did while I worked one job for a year waiting for her to finish up nursing school. Its not as if people that live in poverty necessarily stay there their whole lives. Now we could be classified as lower middle class, and hopefully I will have a job offer this week (as I just graduated with my degree) and even assuming that I make a little on the lower end of the pay scale, we should move firmly into the middle class. Sure there are people who might live below the poverty line for a majority of their lives, but aside from medical issues, nobody really has an excuse to continue to live like that.

Its like unemployment. Poverty is going to be there because its a macro evaluation. But most people aren't living their entire lives in poverty just as most people aren't living their entire lives unemployed.
 
WI Crippler said:
well what's typically missed is that there is a transitory nature to "poverty". What I mean by that is, at some point (usually in the early 20s) we usually have lived under the poverty line. I know that my wife and I did while I worked one job for a year waiting for her to finish up nursing school. Its not as if people that live in poverty necessarily stay there their whole lives. Now we could be classified as lower middle class, and hopefully I will have a job offer this week (as I just graduated with my degree) and even assuming that I make a little on the lower end of the pay scale, we should move firmly into the middle class. Sure there are people who might live below the poverty line for a majority of their lives, but aside from medical issues, nobody really has an excuse to continue to live like that.

Its like unemployment. Poverty is going to be there because its a macro evaluation. But most people aren't living their entire lives in poverty just as most people aren't living their entire lives unemployed.
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"I have been rich, I have been poor....rich is better." George Burns, comedian....

I think most of us start out with little of our own, but that doesn't mean we are poor. Poor should be reserved for those who seem to be stuck in that position no matter what efforts they make. If they make no efforts to move up, then they have chosen to be poor. Far be it from me to mess with their freedom to choose...
 
Catawba said:
Comparing the US to a third world country is how you defend the fact that 1 in 7 in America live in poverty? :sun
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:lamo living in poverty? i think you are confused. are you imagining that the "poverty line" is a measurement of poverty, or a measurement of disparity? (hint; its' not the first)
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
Well, quite honestly, we need to go back to the ideal of the elderly living with their adult children and helping to raise their grandchildren. Let the twenty-somethings and the thirty-somethings go out and work two jobs to support their families while their parents are ensuring that their children will enjoy some continuity of cultural values.
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It's interesting that you brought this up because when it comes to the Baby Boomers I don't think that Gloria and Meathead would have been very comfortable with Archie passing down his "values" to their children.
 
samsmart said:
It's interesting that you brought this up because when it comes to the Baby Boomers I don't think that Gloria and Meathead would have been very comfortable with Archie passing down his "values" to their children.
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Archie Bunker types aside, even the nicest of old men are usually lacking in "mellow" when it comes to raising children...
I love when the grandkids visit, but after a few weeks it gets a bit hard on the ears. They don't come with mute buttons.....:(
 
TurtleDude said:
psychobabble

spend some time in South America or Sub Saharan Africa or the far east and get back to me on what real poverty is.
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This is your goal huh, to have US citizens as poor as "South America or Sub Saharan Africa or the far east"? That is where we differ.
 
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