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Thread: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    No, but this will certainly make it more interesting to see if younger people (those under their late 50s) become a significant voting bloc.

    If I ever see a dramatic movement of "don't trust anyone over 30", I will be siding with those above 30.
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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    2008 demonstrated a pretty significant political chasm between those under 25 and those over 50. The baby boomers are about to retire after spending themselves and the country into massive debt. They will ask the government (and, by extension, the young) to essentially bail them out after they completely ignored the consequences of their irresponsibility for the 25+ years they were in power. And the young will have little ability to do so without bankrupting themselves, considering the state of our nation's finances.

    We haven't hit a breaking point yet. Politicians are still extremely careful about how they refer to the baby boomers and the elderly when they campaign (case and point, the medicare debate). But as more and more retire and begin to get angry that they are not receiving what "they were promised," and as the young begin to get angry that they are being forced to pay for it, what do you think will happen?

    My question is, given the circumstances, are we headed toward a serious generational conflict in this country? A situation where the country becomes split more by age than by political parties?
    First off, you are wrong. The Baby Boomers have not been in power for that long. Secondly, it's the WWII generation that voted themselves massive social security benefits (after putting the program into place). It is entitlement programs that are bankrupting this country, and EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS PUT IN PLACE BY THE WWII GENERATION. This is a gross exaggeration and simplification of the situation.

    Now then, there might be a chance of stresses between generations...however remember that one generation is the parent of the other. Children don't typically hurt their parents, which is part of the ongoing problem with entitlements.
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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    I don't see my generation (under 25) making a huge deal about social security until it is near time for us to start collecting our social security checks. Much of my generation is dealing with massive education debts, a sluggish economy, the prospect of meeting a significant other/starting a family in the near future, etc. Not receiving a social security check down the road isn't high on the list of problems at the moment. Not to mention, half my generation probably doesn't even know the issues facing social security, medicare, national debt, etc....
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    I don't do well with generalizations, so me being a tail-end baby boomer who is as cheap as the day is long can't really go with your take on the boomers.

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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    While we are headed on a path to a generational conflict, the problems are not insurmountable. Raising the retirement age by 5 years and instituting some means based testing would raise a ton of cash for SS. Medicare has a variety of solutions. The simplest but harshest is to stop shelling out tens or hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on terminal treatments. Such costs represent a enormous fraction of medical costs, only buy a little more life at best and tend to be miserable for the patient. Paying for treatment that simply makes the patient comfortable in their last days would be far cheaper and arguably more humane. The more complex option would be to reform the entire healthcare system. The primary advantage is that our system is by far the most bloated and expensive in the world, so there there are ton of potential savings.

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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    The baby boomers may have been raised with the concept of the importance of family and duty, but I'm not sure how well they have taken it to heart. Divorce boomed with the baby boomers, the draft ended with the boomers, and they certainly don't seem very concerned about the debt (and its consequences for their children and grandchildren) . . . except to the extent it may prevent them from getting SS and medicare benefits.

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    I don't completely share his views, but I think this gives somewhat of a taste of how easy it would be to demonize this class of people in the future. It's something that both speaks to me and worries me a little bit.
    "Let's start with the 60's"? Okay, but I was born in '58 so frankly, I don't think anybody beyond 1950 should be considered a boomer. I was 11 when the 60's ended.

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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, but this will certainly make it more interesting to see if younger people (those under their late 50s) become a significant voting bloc.

    If I ever see a dramatic movement of "don't trust anyone over 30", I will be siding with those above 30.
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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    First off, you are wrong. The Baby Boomers have not been in power for that long. Secondly, it's the WWII generation that voted themselves massive social security benefits (after putting the program into place). It is entitlement programs that are bankrupting this country, and EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS PUT IN PLACE BY THE WWII GENERATION. This is a gross exaggeration and simplification of the situation.

    Now then, there might be a chance of stresses between generations...however remember that one generation is the parent of the other. Children don't typically hurt their parents, which is part of the ongoing problem with entitlements.
    Claiming that entitlement programs is the single debt creator of our country is a gross exaggeration especially when other countries have less debt that involves their much more encompassing entitlement programs. Perhaps it also has to do with our defense budget, international aid, the constant creation of more departments that are redundant (entitlement and other), and having lower taxes on average than most of the industrialized world?
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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    The system would have worked fine if the retirement age had kept pace with the life expectancy.
    There is a problem with simply increasing the retirement age because we are living longer. The length of old age is being extended more than the length of our productive years. This is especially true for those that do manual labor.

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    Re: Are We Headed Toward a Generational War?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    There is a problem with simply increasing the retirement age because we are living longer. The length of old age is being extended more than the length of our productive years. This is especially true for those that do manual labor.
    The worst thing we have done as a society to our elders is to infer that people are no longer productive at "x" age (being 65 right now). I bet we would have a healthier elderly population if they were to remain more active instead of believing they need to put themselves out to pasture.
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